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[Burdy]

jonpinson
I think you will find bowling machines are there for the use of predictable bowling and as you stated to 'iron' out weak shots, not to play different strokes every shot. For less predictable bowling, have a net with people bowling as variations will be rife.
Unlike facing bowlers in the a net, the bowling machine is alot more difficult to face with variation of length and speed as there is not a bowlers arm to follow.
A bowling machine is not a toy and can be a dangerous thing and should be kept at a continuous length and speed.

[procricket]

To a skilled user it can be manipulated to randomise line and length

It not something I advertise but I have 4 buckets the last 2 are not shot grooving but conformation of what I have learnt using the first 2

It the way I train a bowling machine is a important tool but without the right instruction it worthless

[Johng]

No personally I don't - I think under pressure he forgets to trigger - if you look at the video when there are two or three balls bowled in quick sucession he forgets to move.
When you are playing at a mid to low level, staying still is the best possible thing you can do - it will give you less to think about or to distract you from watching the ball and playing each ball on its merits.

Buzz your spot on!!!!

[Johng]

This is how I do it and not saying it is right.

1. Bowling machines are great for practicing a shot or two not ironing out problems
2. Keep still, eyes level, dont move till the ball leaves the bowlers hand.
3. Watch the ball not the area and I mean the seam or gold writing of the new ball.
4. Lead with the head the feet will naturally follow, head is the beacon of balance.
5. Backlift over off or worst case first slip
6. Hands held close to the hips or just the above cricket box.
7. Do not let your elbows get to far away from your body it will allow you to fall, If you do not believe me stand up and move your both elbows away your body at the speed of a cricket shot, what happens to your head???
8. does not matter what shot it is play the ball in front of your eyes.

Just a few things I use not saying the above is right.

[Cover_Drive]

Thanks a ton guys I appreciate it.

I have read over this thread quite a few times and I will implement things advised by you guys and let you know how it goes

[thaman303]

where is video ?, I can't see it anywhere.

[SempreSami]

Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHF138B8CXw

[PaddyMac]

So in order to have higher wrist should I introduce trigger movement and high backlift would that help ?

Nope, just raise them as you set to bat. I just think your hands are a bit low, meaning your arms are extended and you don't get full control from your shots.
It's got nothing to do with trigger movement, or how high your backlift is. Just make sure your backlift is comfortable and is fairly straight (pointing to 1st and 2nd slip) and have the face facing backward point with wrists cocked back. You only need a trigger movement if your facing fast bowling or you can't get your feet moving. My preference is you have no trigger movement cause it's more simple to stand still which will let you concentrate more on the ball and where you place your feet to the ball.

[jonpinson]

jonpinson
I think you will find bowling machines are there for the use of predictable bowling and as you stated to 'iron' out weak shots, not to play different strokes every shot. For less predictable bowling, have a net with people bowling as variations will be rife.
Unlike facing bowlers in the a net, the bowling machine is alot more difficult to face with variation of length and speed as there is not a bowlers arm to follow.
A bowling machine is not a toy and can be a dangerous thing and should be kept at a continuous length and speed.

Why argue a point I clearly made as if I said the opposite?

As I said, clearly, bowling machines can be used in a predictable and repeatable way which is great for practicing or perfecting a particular shot. Whether it be the short ball or a yorker, 90mph or slow spin. However if, as a batsmen, you only ever use a bowling machine to dismiss off stump half volleys through the covers, you will find yourself an awesome player of off stump half volleys, but you will be up the creek for anything else.

I'd much rather use a bowling machine in a more constructive way; for instance if I know that the opposition at the weekend have a particularly quick bowler who bowls back of a length, ten minutes of facing similar balls is beneficial. This can be difficult to replicate using real bowlers, as the rate of balls bowled is decreased. Not to mention, every team only has a certain number of decent bowlers. An entire net facing only pie chuckers is no good to man nor beast.

If you know what is coming, you can easily make yourself look like the best player in the world. There is no surprise, no guessing, and that is all well and good when making a youtube video.

Bowling machines in the wrong hands are indeed dangerous, and should never be used by anyone who doesn't know exactly what they are doing - of course. I'm afraid though that arguing that the deliveries should not be varied because it is unsafe to do so is rubbish. What do you do when you play in a match, politely ask the bowler to only bowl line and length?

[Burdy]

Why argue a point I clearly made as if I said the opposite?

As I said, clearly, bowling machines can be used in a predictable and repeatable way which is great for practicing or perfecting a particular shot. Whether it be the short ball or a yorker, 90mph or slow spin. However if, as a batsmen, you only ever use a bowling machine to dismiss off stump half volleys through the covers, you will find yourself an awesome player of off stump half volleys, but you will be up the creek for anything else.

I'd much rather use a bowling machine in a more constructive way; for instance if I know that the opposition at the weekend have a particularly quick bowler who bowls back of a length, ten minutes of facing similar balls is beneficial. This can be difficult to replicate using real bowlers, as the rate of balls bowled is decreased. Not to mention, every team only has a certain number of decent bowlers. An entire net facing only pie chuckers is no good to man nor beast.

If you know what is coming, you can easily make yourself look like the best player in the world. There is no surprise, no guessing, and that is all well and good when making a youtube video.

Bowling machines in the wrong hands are indeed dangerous, and should never be used by anyone who doesn't know exactly what they are doing - of course. I'm afraid though that arguing that the deliveries should not be varied because it is unsafe to do so is rubbish. What do you do when you play in a match, politely ask the bowler to only bowl line and length?

The point i was trying to make was that if you decide to use a bowling machine to use as a match situation, continuous change in line and length to me is not beneficial. You cannot use a bowlers arm or run up to give some idea of what type of ball will be bowled. Having 3 buckets on a bowling machine, each bucket being put on different lines and lengths, then going into a net will people actually bowling is far beneficial as you will be trying to put what you had against the bowling machine into practice.
If i was having a bowlingmachine net and the feeder decided to change the line and length continually, i would not be happy as it is normally set at between 75 -80 mph.
Next time i am playing, i will ask the bowler not to bowl and fire me balls from a machine as i am only used to balls being fired out of a machine.
'Rant over'
And yes, i have asked a bowler to keep bowling me line and length.

[Burdy]

Would also like to say is that using a bowling machine at a continuous line and length, over time i feel you will find yourself in better position and better sted to play that particular shot.
Not meaning everytime you have a balling machine net you have it set on half volleys all the time, it is about practicing shots that you find you are struggling with or getting your eye in.

[patty93]

you seem to be on the walk when driving. ( I had the same problem) if you lean forward with your hips you may find it helps to straighten your back leg.

[SempreSami]

Has anyone else commented on his front leg being a bit stiff?

[Johng]

Guys, usually when trying to correct a batsman many problems the beneficial way to do it is to give he or she a couple of things to focus on.

If you were to say to the batsman you are straightening your front leg, bend at your hips and your back leg moves around a lot, you would get nowhere and as a result you would confuse the individual and they will quickly give up.
 
Instead, ask the individual to lead with their head feet will follow this will help to fix peripheral issues the individual may have.

The bottom hand issue is always a hard one to correct as well, if you focus to much on the hand itself it will take longer to be corrected. For a RH focus not dropping the right shoulder and for a LH focus on not dropping the left shoulder through the shot this has great results in improving this area  particularly when playing off the front foot.

[Cover_Drive]

Had nets today so I thought I'd give you guys an update. I took what I was told in this thread, I stood still rather than shuffle/trigger movement when bowler was about to get in bowling stride.

So today I was no where to be honest. When I stood still I wasn't able to middle or play any any shot to be honest with you guys I wasn't able to a single shot! I was leading with my head when bowler released the ball but I was just not getting to time the ball well.

So when nets were about to end I faced few balls with shuffle/trigger movement and I was able to do a bit better than standing still/firm.

Does it have to do anything with me being used to trigger movement/shuffle ?

Cys1 said I should have trigger movement before bowler got in bowling stride and to be honest I did that for few balls and result was better.

Cheers.