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Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« on: June 23, 2011, 09:48:22 PM »

Is it me but I have noticed that lot lot of Asian players have shuffle/trigger movement [Not very big like Katich but a little press etc] compared to English, Australian and Saffers ?

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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 10:24:11 PM »

All the England top 6 have one. They were analyzing them during commentary during the Sri Lanka game.

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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 10:26:31 PM »

it is all about getting into position to play the ball . . . .at the top level. . .you know you will tested at off stump. . .
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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2011, 11:20:16 AM »

Asian players do typically have a more pronounced trigger - but this can hamper them when playing on faster bouncier pitches.
Eion Morgan and Matt Prior don't use a trigger and there are different types of trigger being coached at the moment with more and more people being coached out of them.

The main thing is that you are still, in the right position and on the balls of your feet at the point of delivery.
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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2011, 11:37:52 AM »

Asian players do typically have a more pronounced trigger - but this can hamper them when playing on faster bouncier pitches.
Eion Morgan and Matt Prior don't use a trigger and there are different types of trigger being coached at the moment with more and more people being coached out of them.

The main thing is that you are still, in the right position and on the balls of your feet at the point of delivery.

You sure? I was watching the test match when they looked at the England batsmen and their triggers, and Morgan had the most movement in his out of them all...
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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 11:46:41 AM »

Trigger movements are nonsense. If a batsman has know idea where his feet are he should not be on the field. Same goes for bowlers who bowl no balls.
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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 11:50:04 AM »

Trigger movements are nonsense. If a batsman has know idea where his feet are he should not be on the field. Same goes for bowlers who bowl no balls.
I totally agree

You sure? I was watching the test match when they looked at the England batsmen and their triggers, and Morgan had the most movement in his out of them all...
Yes Morgan moves - but his movement is from his knees - rather than his feet.
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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2011, 01:15:58 PM »



I suggest if your going to make such drastic statements you get your facts right.
Scientifically trigger movements increase the speed of movement, compared with a set foot stance, morgans flexion of the knees has the same effect, firing the neurons in the legs increasing movement speed

I'm very happy and proud of how I have and do coach batsmen. They score runs for fun and without using River Dance Techniques. (btw, some of these players all came through the same system as Eoin did @ CUS)

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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2011, 01:41:06 PM »

I suggest if your going to make such drastic statements you get your facts right.
Scientifically trigger movements increase the speed of movement, compared with a set foot stance, morgans flexion of the knees has the same effect, firing the neurons in the legs increasing movement speed

As a non-biologist, and someone who doesn't know, that sounds like a load of cobblers, as surely what you get out of a trigger movement is momentum and this is what makes it easier to continue moving rather than inertia from being still. You still have to trigger the correct eye/foot/hand co-ordination to hit the ball, and this is an independent set of instructions from the brain to the neurons in the rest of the body. Whether they have been triggered previously woouldn't make any difference to that as all motion and non-motion requires neuron triggering...

If I'm wrong then fair enough, but it does sound like rubbish!
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Re: Shuffle in Asian Batsmans ?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2011, 05:06:43 PM »

I think your pretty right tim, the neurons would need to send a whole different message from triggering to actually moving towards the ball, hence why if you trigger to late you have no time to move as it cant fire 2 at a time!

I think it just gets you ready to move and shortens the movement that will be needed, as you trigger into a better position...nobody triggers out of position as then more work is required...

morgans is just about getting himself into a better position to play the ball meaning he can react quicker than if he was in a bad position...

surely thats all triggers are about?

no?
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