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[Jenko]

I have played in friendlys over here were we have put on 250 then declared, only for the opposition to block the s*** out of it for a good 40+ overs and finish up on stupid scores like 5/57 (thats the worst one I can remember - they were even turning down runs at the end!) not even going for the win for fear of losing a friendly! Its so frustrating.

In the Kent Premier League we play half a season of that winning/losing draw nonsense then the second half is win/lose full ODI rules (free hits for no balls and all) - it makes for a much better contest. Back in Australia it is all win/lose - 2 day matches with 2 innings a side, you either win outright or on first innings (of course you can lose first innings and still win outright), you get so many points depending on what you win (outright/first innings) plus bonus points for wickets/runs (0.25 per wicket, 0.01 per run). Then the one dayers simple win/lose for points with NRR coming into play.

[Jenko]

In our comp over here in Australia you get a certain amount if points for a win (Two-dayers, One-dayers and T-20), but then you also get bonus points for how many runs you score(.01 per run) how many wickets you take(.25 per wicket) and if you bowl the whole team out you get bonus points (5-6 points). So litterally every run and every wicket can be the difference between making the finals or just missing out.

Sorry Langer, missed your post. Sounds as though the brissie grade comp is the same as both the sunshine coast grade comp and CQ comp - a very good system if you ask me, makes it important to get runs and take wickets, thus making the contest more important/exciting!

[johan95]

From what I have heard on here, the winning/losing draw system seems to promote either very aggressive or defensive tactics alot of the time. Surely a system that makes teams play in a non-natural way for their entire innings is a system that isn't working?

And in the case of a draw how do you decide when a team is in the position of winning or losing? For example say a team ends up 4 runs short with their number 10 and 11 batsmen in and both on 0, would you say they are winning because they were only a boundary away from victory or losing because they had their last 2 batsmen in and neither had any runs? Does the league give a definite guide of winning/losing draws or is it upto the captains to decide if their team is in the winning/losing position in the event of a draw?

Here's an example.

We play 100 over games in the MCCL

My team (Highagate) were playing Shepherd's Bush 3s...
They batted first got 202-7 declared off 53 overs.

100-53 = 47, therefore we had a target, if we are ahead of that at the end of 47, regardless of the wickets down or talent of the batsmen in, we get the winning draw and 4 points...

We were 193-8 after 47, and the winning draw total was 187.

Therefore, though we didn't really have any batsmen batting, we were in the winning position *(faster run rate being the key words here) and therefore got the 4 points and Shepherd's Bush got 1...


Hope that makes sense..

[A-Swing-And-A-Miss]

Here's an example.

We play 100 over games in the MCCL

My team (Highagate) were playing Shepherd's Bush 3s...
They batted first got 202-7 declared off 53 overs.

100-53 = 47, therefore we had a target, if we are ahead of that at the end of 47, regardless of the wickets down or talent of the batsmen in, we get the winning draw and 4 points...

We were 193-8 after 47, and the winning draw total was 187.

Therefore, though we didn't really have any batsmen batting, we were in the winning position *(faster run rate being the key words here) and therefore got the 4 points and Shepherd's Bush got 1...


Hope that makes sense..

Ahh that makes sense now, sorry if my question sounded stupid but because I have never played that system I had no idea how it worked, however your explanation has made it much clearer now. Thanks  Now I understand it more it sounds much better than the way people were describing it after facing teams blocking for 40-45 overs. I guess you will always find teams that don't want to play the game the way it should be played and no matter what the system they will still make it annoying for their opponents.

[alexrickyponting]

A-Swing-And-A-Miss thats not the only winning/losing draw style of game. There is also the winning draw = defending your total but not taking 10 wickets - and losing draw = not losing 10 wickets but failing to chase your target.

Personally I don't see how it is fair at all that Johans team got more points than the other team and a "winning draw" by not being able to chase their total.

[stevie_94_]

We play bonus points for batting at 125, 150, 175 and 200 and if you bat first you get double points, so if you win the toss and bat first  and score 200 you'll get 8 points, (2 for each landmark). Bowling wise its at 3,5,7,9 and its 1 for each I believe
However if you bat more than 52 overs in your innings batting first you lose your bonus points, its then Won Batting First (20 points)
and Won Batting Second (18 points) and 6 points for an abandonment or a cancellation, its a time game as well with 20 overs from 6.10 so you often end up only getting 40 odd overs in the second innings

[tim2000s]

You lost. Why do you even deserve three points?

[Mad Bobbin]

As the title says stupid points system.  In our league you can win by bowling first taking no wickets and knocking them off for 9 down taking 15 for the win and the oppo will get 13 for the loss.  There are bonus points for for taking wickets and getting close but nothing for scoring runs like I said before.  Just frustrating.  When I played up north it was simple 3 for a win, 2 for a tie, 1 for an abandoned or called off game a 0 for a loss.