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Dan W

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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2011, 07:58:42 AM »

Good topic - one that was on my mind recently as I kitted myself out...

To compare small-time workman brands to the multinational giants is unfair. Their business models are completely different, as will their standard of product. To pick a bat at random from both types of brands top production line, I'd choose a smaller (though with the premise of having a good reputation) guy every time.

Of the core features a Giant uses to sell their product, everyman* looks (they need their product to appeal to the broadest number of people - leading to the IMO horrific bat designs of the current era!), hype (short term buzz around the product), and a significant factor is professional player useage (and will only get bigger IMO - the Nikefying of the industry). The quality of the performance of the wood is secondary to all of these IMO to the success of Gray&Mooreburra PLC. That's not to say there are not decent sticks amongst the range on sale though they will, by nature, have a higher 'defect' rate. Their core profit center is lower down the food (grade) chain and I'd assume their bats around the Grade 3/4 range are perhaps their most consistent.

A smaller operator has but a few marketing tools - reputation, perhaps a review in the Wisden end-of-year show, but most of all, the one thing that they hang their hat on and genuinely makes them or breaks them, is the quality of the end product. They can't afford the sponsorship Gray Nicholls/Addidas will offer, and run a lean-enough production line that the spurious and intangible extras that the big brands can afford are lost on them. The beauty of their business dictates that it doesn't need teams of analysts to go over reams of data to churn out maximum output. Only x-amount of bats are needed per season, and a higher proportion of these need to be perfect or the outcome could be disastrous. To the consumer, it's pretty much the perfect business model. If you know your stuff ;). I'd even go as far as to say we should be inherently grateful these guys exist (no, I don't work for one of them!), the impact they have on creating innovation and raising standards within the industry should never be underestimated.

(The range of bats used by pro's is ignored at this point - we can assume they have teams of people hand picking/crafting them and of a scarcity that very few in the amateur arena would even consider. They have nothing to do with the quality of the bats available for public selection, even, I'd suggest, the Grade 1 LE stuff)

It's not too dissimilar to the fashion industry. The obscene amounts spent on marketing (fashion shows, free Haute Couture frocks, 250k ad's on the back cover of Vogue) all to sell perfumes, watches, sunglasses, plain logo'd t-shirts and other items that have little 'technical performance' and are all about the marketed value of the label. Basically, would you rather wear an Armani watch (a re-badged Sekonda at best) or a Rolex (ok, not exactly a small firm, but at least made by watch-makers)? If I want a £40 set of trainers to walk down the street in, I'll look at Nike or Addidas, and the same guys are big in the park-running crowd...Though how many Marathon runners do you see wearing them?

I'm not a great cricketer, though I do perform better when I have 'good' gear. It inspires security and confidence that go far and above the tangible impact of having a bat that 'flies'. I know I'm paying a huge premium for a very minor improvement in my performance in my game, though I play to enjoy myself, and if I enjoy myself more when I have nice gear. Perhaps it's not the most un-shallow admittance, but hey, it makes me feel good when I walk up to the crease, silly mid on becomes just 'mid' on, Square leg trots back a few yards and I know anything I get on the next delivery will make runs just as long as Boris (for that is his name :) ) makes contact.

(I have a 2oz11 M&H Distinction - it's a grain lovers wet dream (23 top to bottom) and every time I hit it, it just has this obscene trampoline effect that I know won't last forever, but actually makes me feel like I'm using an illegal bat. There is no other description for it!)
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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2011, 08:14:17 AM »

Dan, interesting set of observations, although I have to pull you up on the running shoes observation. A significant number of both professional track and field/distance and amateur distance (marathon) runners actually do run in Nike and Adidas shoes as they make very effective (expensive) running shoes (for both it is more or less where they started!).

The difference is that the way they are marketed (compared to cricket kit) is much more in line with your fashion example, so only those who are really interested know about the properly performing products that are at the top end of the ranges.

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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2011, 08:30:58 AM »

only word I can take from the op is   " reputation " , that is key.
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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #63 on: September 06, 2011, 08:33:58 AM »

Great post Dan. Please post more often!
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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #64 on: September 06, 2011, 08:39:01 AM »

Great post Dan. Please post more often!

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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2011, 09:08:59 AM »

I've had loads of top of the range bats, most were just about the same, good decent bats better than your usual stuff you get down at the local club apart from my most expensive GM Hero Original LE which cost me 235 quid I couldn't wait to use it, it was like a wand, picked up a dream and looked like a gun however it was terrible, went like a total plank in the end people at the club wouldn't even take it off me for free! On the flip side the best bat I ever owned is a 100 quid Newbery that has 6 wonky grains and has a few blemishes, now I know that this is one case but always pick your own bat instead of going on the internet, just becuase it looks unreal doesn't mean it is!


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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #66 on: September 06, 2011, 09:19:20 AM »


I've had loads of top of the range bats, most were just about the same, good decent bats better than your usual stuff you get down at the local club apart from my most expensive GM Hero Original LE which cost me 235 quid I couldn't wait to use it, it was like a wand, picked up a dream and looked like a gun however it was terrible, went like a total plank in the end people at the club wouldn't even take it off me for free! On the flip side the best bat I ever owned is a 100 quid Newbery that has 6 wonky grains and has a few blemishes, now I know that this is one case but always pick your own bat instead of going on the internet, just becuase it looks unreal doesn't mean it is!

Eeerry... My bad experience was with virtually an identical bat! Mine was on Original as opposed to an Original LE - felt beautiful to pick, but was absolutely terrible.
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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #67 on: September 06, 2011, 10:37:56 AM »

Eeerry... My bad experience was with virtually an identical bat! Mine was on Original as opposed to an Original LE - felt beautiful to pick, but was absolutely terrible.

To prove the point I have a GM Hero 808 and its the best bat that I have ever had.  The pick up is fantastic and it goes like a good un....
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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2011, 12:05:42 PM »

Dan W, I think it's a little more complicated than that. A number of boutique brands (inc one you've name checked) buy part made bats from the UK's 2nd largest bat manufacturer and just sand/finish them. Now whilst the finish may be better on them, is the pressing and shape going to be any better than the Puma bats made in the same factory?

For aftercare I agree you can't beat a small brand, who's reputation is everything. But the final product, is it that different?
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Re: Bats My Theory
« Reply #69 on: September 06, 2011, 12:23:57 PM »

Dan W, I think it's a little more complicated than that. A number of boutique brands (inc one you've name checked) buy part made bats from the UK's 2nd largest bat manufacturer and just sand/finish them. Now whilst the finish may be better on them, is the pressing and shape going to be any better than the Puma bats made in the same factory?

For aftercare I agree you can't beat a small brand, who's reputation is everything. But the final product, is it that different?
Interesting point Tom. Of my bats, the two I have used most this season I believe are pressed and at least part if not wholly made in the same place. Both are very good bats and I have enjoyed using them, or should I say, they are made in such a way that inspires confidence when you come to use them. One is definitely better than the other in my hands, but then they are different shapes, which may play a part. If I had bought a mid-size brand bat created in a similar way in the same place, would I feel the same about the way it performed? I hope so, but I don't know...

So it all comes back to confidence in your tools.
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