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[Tom]

Big boy - from my point of view, I have a bat made for Afridi and one for Tendulkar which are Lams. I'm not saying for one minute that they wanted them made for matches - they may have asked to try one out as they seem to practice most days in the nets (lucky boys!)
So although I very much doubt that it's as wide spread as claimed, everyone is entitled to speculate as to how widespread it is! I am sure that 90% of players have tried them out in the nets at some point to see how they go, but how many have used one in a match would be pure speculation! And although Tom seems to indicate that everyone is holier than thou, I personally suspect that there are a number of players who have (at one time or another) used something bordering on illegal! I have no proof of this, and there is no real proof that some players have not used a lam at one time or another! So from omy point of view I am happy to let the conversation continue as long as it stays reasonably polite!!
Not sure what the other mods/admin think?

Where did you buy your bats from?

I'm not saying everyone is holy, but I've not seen one in use or been asked for them. Ive dealt more than pretty much anyone here with pros and having worked on the development of the most radical lookong bat in 200yrs i have also worked very closely with the MCC, Tim Keeley and the ICC.

Only one guy is said to make these bats. Yet recently the majority of the Indian pros have SS, FC Sondhi and SG on ther edges of their bat. Are they making them too?

[Vic Nicholas]

Right or wrong I'm not overly concerned about whether its cheating, good, bad or otherwise.. I would like to know though how Vic knows that all these international cricketers are using these bats especially considering Vic is only playing low level cricket himself...

Anyone can say "so and so" is using laminated bats. I have no doubt some are using bats that they shouldn't be using but I have no idea who... Vic seems to have more inside info than most.. I don't want Vic to spill names... Just how he knows this info would be interesting to me

By the way Vic it isn't illegal to burn dvd/cd's.. You are allowed to make copies of your own disc's for safe keeping... You aren't, on the other hand, allowed to sell said burnt copies...

If someoneburns a CD or DVD and they don't own it, just copying it to avoid buying it, then it is illegal and punishable in Australia with 100K fines and prison sentences.

[Number4]

Thats why I said "your own" disc's

[Number4]

i thought you were saying 8/12 that had batted had lams, but was misread next....

Does anyone else feel this arguement is going and will go nowhere... vic is going to use them regardless, some will think he is wrong some may not care about it.

I think there is still alot of life left in this thread...

[Colesy]

I think there is still alot of life left in this thread...

For information, or for having a dig at eachother?

[Number4]

There only seems to be 2 having a dig at each other.. The rest are interested in where the info comes from

[GarrettJ]

i think they should allow the laminated bats and let everyone use htem ..... level palying field

maybe use a weighted ball too for the bowlers and turn it into an american style sport where a maiden over would be frowned upon!!

[langer17]

If someoneburns a CD or DVD and they don't own it, just copying it to avoid buying it, then it is illegal and punishable in Australia with 100K fines and prison sentences.

But if you don't sell them, you will never be caught. Dunno how we got onto this though

[Colesy]

i think they should allow the laminated bats and let everyone use htem ..... level palying field

maybe use a weighted ball too for the bowlers and turn it into an american style sport where a maiden over would be frowned upon!!

So change cricket....... That's ridiculous.

Just stick with the ICC laws as they are at the moment, as use a normal, one-piece, legal bat. What's wrong with that?

[bigboy]

It does seem to be going round in circles, I think it's cheating, Vic dosen't, different values in life I guess. These statments are the ones that have annoyed me the most.

"The ENTIRE Indian top order use them.

Pretty much the same applies to the English and Australian top orders."

I have seen enough of the aussie and state guy's equipment to know this statement is rubbish, I also know that international players equipment is now checked more than ever. It just seems Vic is trying to justify this bat by rubbishing a stack of international players, based only on the words of the chap that sold him this wonder bat. Vic either needs to retract this garbage or come up with some proof.

[bigboy]

But if you don't sell them, you will never be caught. Dunno how we got onto this though

It's called deflecting.

[Colesy]

It is cheating full stop. It's against the rules, who cares if some guy from some team uses one, he is cheating. You may get away with using one, but you'd always be a fraud. You wouldn't match fix, ball tamper, scuff the pitch, so why would you use an illegal bat. Who are you kidding apart from yourself?

The use of laminates in nets do not both me at all, everyone could own one and I wouldn't mind. It's when someone brags about using one in a game and getting 50/60/70-160 runs. Well done. You must be super proud.

[MD2812]

Does Chris Gayle use a laminated bat? (Question to those in the know...)

Reason I ask, is because if he doesnt, he'd be hitting 6s into the next country with one....

[Colesy]

Nope, combination of 3.2 bat and strength/bat speed

[langer17]

With the fines and jail terms, they are rarely enforced as I know someone who had over 1000 movies on a website for people to copy, they didn't ask for money but they accepted 'donations' as part of a membership which totalled over $100,000 and they were sentenced last week to 18 and 15 month suspended jail sentences and have to do 200 and 120 hours of community service each, as well as paying back the money they earnt.

No jail, minimal to no fine (had to pay back mone earnt through it) and they only have to do community service, so not as big as Vic made it sound/ not enforced to the full extent , as they had 1000 copied dvds in their possession, they were selling them, but they really only got a slap on the wrist

 http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brothers-made-50000-from-selling-pirated-dvds-over-the-internet/story-e6freoof-1226136529946