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[Johnny]

Afridi cheat?! Nah, never gonna happen...

[petehosk]

 

[Vic Nicholas]

I have never used one so not sure how you can call me a hypocryte? I also have never liked the excuse of someone else doing the wrong thing to justify doing the wrong thing myself. These are also massive claims you are making about these players, I hope you can produce evidence if it ever blows up in your face, it sounds like you have fallen for the tripe of a salesman about the importance of your bat. I will be sending off an en mail to the relevent associations in Victoria informing them of your and the apparent widespread use of these bats. Why bother with any laws if you are just going to pick and choose which to follow?

I didn't infer that you use or have used a lam.

I called you a hypocfrite because in your life you have certainly taped an album, burnt/ripped a CD, burnt/ripped a DVD....and these are all punishable with hundred thousand plus dollar fines...plus jail terms because it is breaking the law.

You have done at least one of the above haven't you?

Yes, we all knew it.

As for lams, I am not a district cricketer, nor am I first class cricketer or test cricketer, so I am not playing at a level where using a lam would draw any concern from anyone. The WORST that could happen to me is if somebody insists I grab another bat out of my kit bag....I certainly wouldnot be jailed or fined. As for you and your ripping CD's DVDs and taping albums, you have broken laws that draw massive fines and jail sentences.

Another case in point, the Gray Nicolls Fusion with the carbo handle was outlawed by the ICC/MCC because it is not 100% made of wood and apparently offered teh batsman an unfair advantage. Yet, the Gray Nicolls Fusion appears in every competition I have participated in...why isn't it banned at my level? Answer...because nobody cares....the level I play at is not FC cricket, nor district, nor subdistrict.

Yet the GN Fusion is everywhere....have you fired off an angry email to have the associations ban that bat too?

Finaslly, today we played a pre season practice match against another club who from the other side of Melbourne and play in a totally different comp.

The team consisted of 9 Pakistani's and three white guys...I counted no less than eight of the Pakistani lads using the CA gel double wood bats. EIGHT!!!

If it wasn't for this site, I wouldn't have even known that the CA gels are such bats - but there they were...eight in one team from a random competition. I must say that they hit some massive sixes. One of them was so extrtaordinary, that the guy lost control of the bat and played a one handed pick up shot over square leg for six that cleared the twelve foot high cyclone fence and nearly hit the runners practicing on the running track near the ground.

In the right hands, the lam can be a lethal weapon. In the hands of a park cricketer...well, it is not a great help to be honest because it has no super powers to stop you from missing the ball and getting bowled. It cannot stop you from being LBW and it cannot stop you from edging to the keeper or slips.

[peplow]

Well the ca gels certainly wouldnt have helped them hit these sixes as they arent even performance enhancing, infact some think they are the opposite with some of the worst wood going in there to give it a chance of selling.

I think the gn fusions can still be used, but not manufactured? so thats legal. i think. could be worng but thats how it was with the pumas.

[Vic Nicholas]

Vic, you seemed a reasonably well balanced sort of chap before these ramblings, the fact remains you are cheating by using the bat, regardless of who else does what, if you can live with it then thats all that matters I guess, maybe it's a trait suited to your profession?

If the Gray Nicolls Fusion and chucking is not outlawed in my comp - then I doubt that double woods and lams (which I have observed over the last two years without using one myself) are on the banned list.

The standard is too low to be trifled with.

As for your last comment about my profession - I really take exception to that. It is my duty to deal with peoples biggest asset...worth in some cases millions of dollars. I have been doing it for eighteen years nowand not only have I never been spoken to by my governing body, in 1999 I scored a perfect 100% score in secret mystery buyer customer service reports. One of only four estate agents in all of Victoria to get a perfect score out of the thousands tested.

I might also add that I do not know of any estate agents in jail in Victoria...but there are hundreds of accountants and lawyers rotting in jail.

By the way, what do you do for a living?

[Number4]

You are correct peplow..can be used still...not illegal to use

[peplow]

the team you were playing also cheated as they had 12 players

[Colesy]

Same with the Newbery C6+ and Puma handles too? They've already been manufactured and can be used in matches, but can't be repaired?

[Vic Nicholas]

Well the ca gels certainly wouldnt have helped them hit these sixes as they arent even performance enhancing, infact some think they are the opposite with some of the worst wood going in there to give it a chance of selling.

I think the gn fusions can still be used, but not manufactured? so thats legal. i think. could be worng but thats how it was with the pumas.

I dunno what effect the CA gels had, but I can say that these Pakistani cricketers were outstanding. Freakish even.

[Number4]

Big boy - from my point of view, I have a bat made for Afridi and one for Tendulkar which are Lams. I'm not saying for one minute that they wanted them made for matches - they may have asked to try one out as they seem to practice most days in the nets (lucky boys!)
So although I very much doubt that it's as wide spread as claimed, everyone is entitled to speculate as to how widespread it is! I am sure that 90% of players have tried them out in the nets at some point to see how they go, but how many have used one in a match would be pure speculation! And although Tom seems to indicate that everyone is holier than thou, I personally suspect that there are a number of players who have (at one time or another) used something bordering on illegal! I have no proof of this, and there is no real proof that some players have not used a lam at one time or another! So from omy point of view I am happy to let the conversation continue as long as it stays reasonably polite!!
Not sure what the other mods/admin think?

Stupid question here pete.... How do you know they were bats for Afridi and Tendulkar?

[Vic Nicholas]

the team you were playing also cheated as they had 12 players

Every team has twelve?

Or have I missed the pun?

[peplow]

i thought you were saying 8/12 that had batted had lams, but was misread next....

Does anyone else feel this arguement is going and will go nowhere... vic is going to use them regardless, some will think he is wrong some may not care about it.

[Vic Nicholas]

It may have run its productive race.

Everyone has different views and each of those view points has some valid points.

It is just the hypocracy that is hard to take.

[slcric]

I have a cousin who plays first class Cricket in New Zealand and he was lucky enough to train with the Indian squad when they last came here.He personally talked to most the batters in the nets and ALL, i will say it again,ALL of the batsman had 2 laminated bats each and a box full of sponsor's stickers in each players coffins.


He got around 20 sets of different kinds of asian branded stickers which were surplus to the players.
He told me the players did not say a word bout the lams except for Dhoni who said "oh yeah i had it repaired after a crack cos its my fave bat"


Surely each of the batsman doesn't have 2 lucky bats all of which were repaired because they are their favorites!!


Wether they use it in international games is not something we can be sure of.Could be just net bats but WHO KNOWS!

[Number4]

Right or wrong I'm not overly concerned about whether its cheating, good, bad or otherwise.. I would like to know though how Vic knows that all these international cricketers are using these bats especially considering Vic is only playing low level cricket himself...

Anyone can say "so and so" is using laminated bats. I have no doubt some are using bats that they shouldn't be using but I have no idea who... Vic seems to have more inside info than most.. I don't want Vic to spill names... Just how he knows this info would be interesting to me

By the way Vic it isn't illegal to burn dvd/cd's.. You are allowed to make copies of your own disc's for safe keeping... You aren't, on the other hand, allowed to sell said burnt copies...