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[Vic Nicholas]

Asian bats are not laminates per se. They can be described as double wood.

A double wood bat makes ordinary willow perform to the level of a good A Grade willow bat.

An English made laminate as seen in the pic above performs better than the best willow.

How much better depends on the quality of the cleft to begin with.

Cheers,
Vic

[armie]

Vic i have seen some trampolines from even lower grade, definitely better then the best bats around. I had a 2lbs 13 oz laminate which really gave it all even in a simple block.

[bigboy]

Why dosen't it seem to bother you guy's that in fact you are cheating by using these bats?

[Cover_Drive]

One of my local shop had this Pakistani laminate and it pinged like something I have never seen in my life!

[tim2000s]

Why dosen't it seem to bother you guy's that in fact you are cheating by using these bats?

If you only ever use it in nets, you are not cheating.

[Kulli]

If you only ever use it in nets, you are not cheating.

Do many really spend 300 on a net bat?

[tim2000s]

Do many really spend 300 on a net bat?

No, and I didn't on that. If you read Vic's post about his, you'll see that in his league many use them so no-one worries too much.

[Vic Nicholas]

Why dosen't it seem to bother you guy's that in fact you are cheating by using these bats?

Actually hypocrites like you.

When they remove all of Graham Gooch's records of that golden summer where he annihilated the Indians with a lam and made triple centuries etc - then you might have a case.

But that isn't going to happen is it?

Lams should just be legalized because presently, it is a sham.

The ENTIRE Indian top order use them.

Pretty much the same applies to the English and Australian top orders.

TK keeps churning these out BECAUSE YOUR ENGLISH BORN COUNTY PROS LUST AFTER THEM.

Some of your most beloved English batsmen of the very recent past also used them and still use them in semi retirement flaying County attacks.

Would you like to see their impressive test records carry an asterisk because they used these bats?

Apparently, none of that bothers you - so why should the use of these lams by forum members in irrelevent C grade competitions concern you?

[Vic Nicholas]

No, and I didn't on that. If you read Vic's post about his, you'll see that in his league many use them so no-one worries too much.

That is correct.

I have watched on from my vantage point in gully many times as Indian born batsmen have torn our bowling attack apart with a welter of boundaries and sixes with double wood bats (not lams, because they are different) and the first question asked of these Indian lads after the game in the pavillion isn't "ya know you are cheating mate?", but, "where can I get one of them bats too?"

[Canners]

It does make me wonder if these pros are actually using them... Would they really risk there profession for a few extra yards!!

I have a lam and if you know what your looking for it can easily be picked up on, especially with the quality of cameras used by the media these days..,

I have no issue with people using them, I'm just saying!!!

[Manormanic]

It does make me wonder if these pros are actually using them... Would they really risk there profession for a few extra yards!!

I have a lam and if you know what your looking for it can easily be picked up on, especially with the quality of cameras used by the media these days..,

Agreed -

[Vic Nicholas]

It does make me wonder if these pros are actually using them... Would they really risk there profession for a few extra yards!!

I have a lam and if you know what your looking for it can easily be picked up on, especially with the quality of cameras used by the media these days..,

I have no issue with people using them, I'm just saying!!!

They do.

They are.

Don't kid yourself otherwise.

[Vic Nicholas]

There is NO risk what-so-ever.

The ICC knows they exist.

The BCCI controls the ICC like puppeteers.

If the ban was strictly enforced by the IC...errr, I mean BCCI, there would be a massive outcry of Indian players threatening to throw their toys out of the pram. Not to mention that the IPL would have half as many sixes.

Sixes look great on TV - ergo, the IC...errr, BCCI will never act against something detrimental to their interests.

They are here to stay...and in the not too distant future, legal too.

[Kulli]

They do.

They are.

Don't kid yourself otherwise.

If that ius the case (and I'm not saying it isn't) then way have we not seen a single picture that i can recall) showing an international (or county) batsman using a laminate?

I've played with and against loads of 1st class players in Scotland and always try and have a look at their gear and I've only ever seen one with a Laminate.

[Vic Nicholas]

They are so well done, that unless you grab their bat up close and have a look down the shoulders, you would never spot it in a million years.