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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2011, 05:47:28 PM »

GM Players v Laver Signature v Newb Cenkos......
Just how mouth watering would that review be!!  :D
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2011, 06:12:16 PM »


Not familiar with the bats you mention I'm afraid, we just tend to think GM.


The most successful businesses keep a close eye on their competitors to make sure they don't get left behind. Techniques such as Porter's '5 forces' model should help gauge any threats or opportunities that lie within your industry, which should be a part of any organisations strategic analysis...

Or maybe the cricket bat industry is the exception?

If you fancy hiring anyone in a business intelligence/analysis type role I'll send you my CV! (especially as I may be out of work soon:( )
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2011, 07:31:13 PM »

Well once again, thanks to one and all for an interesting discussion about our Player Edition bats.

There seem to be some misconceptions about these devilishly smart products which hopefully I can shed some light on.

When we start working with a player, there is a two way dialogue between us about what the player would like in terms of bat design and what is possible in terms of technical production. With the advent of CAD/CAM as part of GM’s DXM process, in truth, if it can be drawn, we can make it.

The starting point for this dialogue is generally (a) the bat shapes we are marketing or have marketed & (b) of course, what the player is using. The bat that a player ends up with is usually somewhere between the two. Very often a player joining GM will take the opportunity of trying a different shape or tweaking what they are used to, but however long the journey is, and however many iterations we go through together, the end result is always the same – a GM DXM bat that the player favours.

Some players use our stock shapes, some don’t. For them wot don’t, the vexed question of what stickers should be used on the bat is the next discussion. There are various considerations – (a) what resemblance the Player’s bat has to a stock shape (b) shamelessly, what model we wish to promote in which territory & (c) a player preference.

Thus, a Players bat takes on the persona of a GM model.

When we work with a player, we will do whatever we can to ensure that their bat is precisely to their desire. Our role is to support the player’s performance on pitch. Our role is not to force a player to use a specific rigid design, “because it suits GM”. We view player satisfaction and success as paramount to a good relationship because of course Player Success = GM Success. This is a hard-nosed business view.

It will come as no surprise to any reader of this post that most players, affiliated to whatever brand, use Shape A (Player’s Edition) with Brand Model Labels B. The alternatives to this would be for (a) players bats to carry no model designation (not helpful or informative to the public or the trade) or (b) the brand forcing a player to only use a stock shape or (c) something more cunning that we may just have up our forearm guard.

Which brings us to September 8th and the launch of GM Player Edition bats. These bats are precise replicas of what the players use.  So yes, Canners, Ravi & Samit have their own shapes. No real surprise there. Were we to introduce Player Editions of their bats, they would be precisely to their favoured designs. We just haven’t introduced such models as yet, so forgive me but I find your post unfathomable.

As to weight Peplow, a couple of comments. Controversially perhaps, my view is that weight is allowed to become far too large a part of the selection process of a bat. My observation is that the greater the talent, the less specific the player is about weight. Pick up and feel are much more important.
We don’t sell any of our bats by weight, it isn’t practical on the scale of our business to do so. We have, for many years, focussed on Pick Up Index. Player Edition bats are guaranteed to be made from the finest timber we can get – but that timber is very much a limited resource and, as much as we love each and every one of our customers, we love our players just a little bit more. So, we will not make a promise we won’t keep. We guarantee that the dimensions of a Player Edition will be to the player’s design – that fixes the volume of timber, the weight will come from that volume times the average density of the willow.

Bottom line, I don’t think any discerning player will be disappointed with a Player Edition bat.

Why, Peplow, would you want a bat of the same dimensions as a player? You may not, in which case, why ask the question? However, other folk do, so that’s why we are making them available.

Wazza, there is no argument as to the similarities between an LE bat and a Players Edition. That is a comparison of chalk and cheese, they are entirely different by virtue of their design as outlined above. The similarity is the excellence and relevance of the materials used and the cutting edge technology and craftsmanship which is integral to any GM DXM bat from Players Edition to 303.

Hope this helps folks, thanks for joining the debate

Kind regards

Edward
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2011, 07:35:33 PM »

The most successful businesses keep a close eye on their competitors to make sure they don't get left behind. Techniques such as Porter's '5 forces' model should help gauge any threats or opportunities that lie within your industry, which should be a part of any organisations strategic analysis...

Or maybe the cricket bat industry is the exception?

If you fancy hiring anyone in a business intelligence/analysis type role I'll send you my CV! (especially as I may be out of work soon:( )

Oooo errr Missus! You've lost me there.

I tend to see too many businesses where they so preoccupied by the activities of other firms in their industry that they forget about their own customers and their own essential innovation.

No good just copying Charlie down the road, better to set out your own stall.

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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2011, 07:40:50 PM »

This may be a little bit off topic, but as it's hot I might find out what I've been thinking.

The DXM+ is basically the same shape as the normal bat, but just bigger/heavier?

How does this work in the CAD process? For instance, is the same cut of the bat made in different clefts and depending on how dense they are they will be DMX+ or not? Or are they 2 set designs? Allowing the + to be the bigger of the two? Or do you purposely pick heavier clefts for this process etc?

I'm not sure if i've explained my question that well(?)
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2011, 07:41:02 PM »

I guess a balance is best.
Thanks for the comprehensive reply Edward.
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2011, 07:49:59 PM »

Mike Hussey is one of the best batsmen going around, and he has to have his bats weighing in at 2'8.5 -

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/husseys-cricket-bat/x25iz02


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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2011, 07:59:38 PM »

Mike Hussey is one of the best batsmen going around, and he has to have his bats weighing in at 2'8.5 -

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/husseys-cricket-bat/x25iz02


So he couldn't play with 2lbs 9oz?

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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2011, 08:10:13 PM »

So he couldn't play with 2lbs 9oz?

Edward

Probably - but he chooses not to and a huge number of professional players are of the same opinion......
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2011, 08:11:24 PM »

So he couldn't play with 2lbs 9oz?

Edward

Yes he could.

I see that with the weights you meant small differences, like 0.5-1ozs, as I would think that weight does play a part in how the bat pick's up and feels.
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2011, 09:07:37 PM »

Yes he could.

I see that with the weights you meant small differences, like 0.5-1ozs, as I would think that weight does play a part in how the bat pick's up and feels.

Of course dead weight is a factor, but more relevant to pick up is the distribution of that weight.

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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2011, 09:50:13 PM »

A bit off topic but I know I have seen several posts by him before and I've got to say I'm impressed that Edward (and to be fair any number of other bat makers and individuals) takes the time to come on here and give detailed responses like the one in this thread.

When I was a kid I dismissed GM kit as being a bit poncey along with hunts, I think that was all based on the people at my club who used their kit. Having bought a GM bag and now the gloves that we're on offer at sports direct I'm impressed by the GM gear and I'd consider a bat in future.

Back on topic I don't really see the appeal of the players editions bats especially given the cost. I reckon I'd rather have a go with a halo instead as they look great rather than have a copy of a players bat.



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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2011, 10:52:38 PM »

Edward

Thanks for giving us your time and feedback on this thread...

I'm sure the players bats will all sell....

this forum is above all a place for discussing bats and this is all I was doing :)

I still aren't sure if you've answered whether the quality of clefts I.e lightness and looks are of a higher quality in the players bats than the le clefts?

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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2011, 11:11:41 PM »

I have a players Flare + Luna (sample). Ill post pictures.
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Re: GM PLAYERS BATS
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2011, 11:23:02 PM »

Thanks,

What weight is your flare players?

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