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County Finances
« on: November 08, 2011, 12:31:34 PM »

We are into accounting season for the counties and this is from Lancashire (the county champions no less)
A £2.1mln loss.

there a few things to say about this - firstly that without Sky TV now we would have only about half the number of counties that we do, secondly how long is it until one of the counties goes bankrupt - because this kind of loss is unsustainable when you consider their revenues - in fact they predict anther £2+mln loss for 2011 as well. But Lancashire are by no means the only ones.

The Impact of the next 5 years could be interesting as although on the pitch the county and the national sides are doing well - if the breeding grounds for the players is removed in 10-15 years we will be in trouble - plus with the global fall in interest in test cricket the lasting impact could be siesmic.

Although I doubt it will be that bad it is clear that having all these counties and all these test match ground is unsustainable - something will have to give...

Lancashire post £2.1m loss for 2010 – the worst result in their history• Investment leave us well-placed, says finance director
• Lancashire relying on revenue from 2013 Ashes Test

Lancashire have revealed that they lost £2.1m in 2010 – the worst financial result in their history and among the grimmest figures recorded by a county cricket club – to underline how much they are relying on staging a Test in the next Ashes series during 2013.

They may be the county champions for the first time since 1934 but Lancashire ended 2010 with debts of £14m and expect that figure to grow considerably by the end of this year as they continue the redevelopment of Old Trafford.

The £32m project suffered substantial and expensive delays and was threatened by legal challenges from a rival developer. But since they were seen off in the high court last summer and Lancashire were then awarded a 2013 Ashes Test by the ECB, the county have been able to plan confidently for the future.

Their previous record loss of £546,000 was announced for 2009 and last year they completed construction of The Point, the conference and events facility which last week staged the celebration of Sir Alex Ferguson's 25 years as the manager at the other Old Trafford. They have not staged an England Test against top-tier opposition since 2008, with only a less-lucrative match against Bangladesh in 2010, and no Test at all either this year or next as major building work continues at the ground.

Lee Morgan, Lancashire's finance and operations director, said: "The transitional period in building the new stadium was always going to create huge challenges, although the investment will result in the club being well-placed for the long term in ensuring international cricket remains at Old Trafford in a competitive and tough market. "The majority of the club's current debt has been raised to fund the building of The Point, which has already, and will continually prove to be, an important revenue generator for the business. It is important to note that the club will not take on any further debt to fund the rest of redevelopment of Old Trafford which is scheduled for completion in early 2013.

"Although challenging times do remain for all county cricket clubs, with the certainty provided by our international match-staging agreement and also the redevelopment of the stadium into one of the best in world cricket, we have every reason to be optimistic for a successful future of Lancashire."

Only one of the 18 first-class counties recorded a profit in 2010, and Lancashire follow Yorkshire and Warwickshire in announcing losses in excess of £2m.
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 12:47:01 PM »

which county made money?
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 12:49:54 PM »

After spending some time watching Somerset this season I do wonder how on earth county cricket is supposed to survive. The gates were pretty poor and consisted mostly of OAP's, who are undoubtedly long term season ticket holders. The T20 games had good crowds as expected but I think this may be part of the problem.

We are now seeing a football-style wage influence on cricket in the T20 games - big money being paid to players who aren't guaranteed to perform to their monetary value - see Kieron Pollard this season…

I think sky has certainly helped contribute towards this situation, as clubs feel the need to invest heavily to guarantee future investment from sky themselves, but I'm not sure where the answer lies. Quite a lot of the county clubs have well and truly gobbled the carrot dangled in front of them.
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 12:51:34 PM »

The test grounds should always do ok (in the end) but have a look at Leics last year. Something like 70-80% of their revenue was from Sky, without it they couldn't even come close to breaking even. The arguement all counties trot out is they are grooming future england players - do you need 18 counties though?

Worth remembering that the Sky money is supposed to be aiding grass roots cricket, yet I see very few clubs,outside big ECB Premier League teams, benefitting. Maybe losing a few first class counties and benefitting hundreds of local clubs should be looked at instead.
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 12:54:32 PM »

which county made money?
I thought it was Kent
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 01:01:20 PM »

which county made money?
I thought it was Kent
I am not sure - typically Surrey is the only county to make money but I know they didn't this season.

And if it was Kent - at what cost - they have one of the worst county teams in the counrty and all their leading players have been leaving
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2011, 01:07:11 PM »

so in fact they made an opperating loss of £500,000 but this was offset by selling some land...
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 01:09:20 PM »

Spin did a good article on it earlier in the year http://www.spincricket.com/2011/04/30/county-crickets-financial-crisis/
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2011, 01:10:27 PM »

Biggest enemy to the counties is playing county cricket, but it's vital to the England setup and why they are subsidised by the ECB. I suspect T20/40 over probably just about makes money. I do wonder if a "lighter" schedule could allow Counties to share players (and wages) with ECB Premier Clubs. Do players get a 12 months a year contract, or just for the cricket season (acknowledging they are contacted for several years at a time).
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2011, 01:10:45 PM »

so in fact they made an opperating loss of £500,000 but this was offset by selling some land...
I didn't read the whole article Buzz, it was far too intelligent for me!
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2011, 02:28:38 PM »

I'm in favour of following the route the SAffers took, but it'd be hard to get in in place past all the 'tradition'.
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 02:48:42 PM »

A few counties have in the past looked at creating regional teams - but this will hurt all the major match grounds - I mean if you had a London Team would they play at the Oval or Lords... It is not an easy place to be
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Re: County Finances
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 02:51:47 PM »

A few counties have in the past looked at creating regional teams - but this will hurt all the major match grounds - I mean if you had a London Team would they play at the Oval or Lords... It is not an easy place to be
Neither is losing millions of pounds a year, playing a competition that provides a living for a lot of guys never have been or will be anywhere close to international standard. I'm of the opinion that the FC set up should really only consist of potential, current or previous internationals, and maybe the odd few that were very close but never quite made it. Paying wages to poor county players is just a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 03:18:04 PM »

Neither is losing millions of pounds a year, playing a competition that provides a living for a lot of guys never have been or will be anywhere close to international standard. I'm of the opinion that the FC set up should really only consist of potential, current or previous internationals, and maybe the odd few that were very close but never quite made it. Paying wages to poor county players is just a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.
Which was my original point.

I think to much "been done like this for 100 years" etc is attached to the county game, compiled with the unwilliness of counties to merge or county chairman to see past their own jobs. If you work on some kind of slimmed, best of the best model then 10-12 counties are required max. Not only would the quality of cricket improve but increased subsides/gate revenue would help balance the books. The first class structure is not a commercial market driven structure, if you were designing it now then many counties would cease to exist. A great example of this is the Thames Valley area - hugely affluent but not one county team amongst bucks,berks,oxon. If you wanted to sell a sporting product, do you go to the South East or Derby first?
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