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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2011, 09:19:59 AM »

Do you honestly think that it wouldn't be obvious that you were using a Laver Ultra if it didn't have the stickers on it?

Yeah, I appreciate a proper blind test is nearly impossible, and i also appreciate this is more a bit of fun than an exact science, I just find it a bit of a struggle to believe there's no effect on peoples scoring related to their preconceptions of certain bats.
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2011, 09:23:11 AM »

any 3lb goes like the slappers tho
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« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2011, 09:25:28 AM »

If that was the case though the Laver would have cleaned up and the H4l in the first test wouldn't have come bottom!!! They are the two most 'in vogue' brands on this forum currently. By the looks of it I would say the scoring seems to be pretty much spot on. I have tried pretty much all these bats separately from the Batoff assessment and other than my belief that the CF is my pick over the Woodstock I would agree with all the scores....you could call my tests the 'control' if you like!!

I do understand what your saying though but I think the guys have been very subjective in this case... :D

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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2011, 09:25:43 AM »

any 3lb goes like the slappers tho
As long as you can get to the ball. Again, ping comes back to sound, feel and result of contact. Satisfaction on that one was pretty amazing, but timing was atrocious.

The scary thing about the Icon is that it really doesn't feel it's weight when you are waiting to play. It's only when you play the shot that you realise you are fractionally too late.
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2011, 09:33:59 AM »

I have tried pretty much all these bats separately from the Batoff assessment and other than my belief that the CF is my pick over the Woodstock I would agree with all the scores
As mentioned, the only reason the Woodstock got an overall higher score is the presentation. In use, the CF easily beat it.
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2011, 09:39:49 AM »

As mentioned, the only reason the Woodstock got an overall higher score is the presentation. In use, the CF easily beat it.

I appreciate that, I wasn't judging them on looks!!!
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2011, 09:42:08 AM »

As long as you can get to the ball. Again, ping comes back to sound, feel and result of contact. Satisfaction on that one was pretty amazing, but timing was atrocious.

The scary thing about the Icon is that it really doesn't feel it's weight when you are waiting to play. It's only when you play the shot that you realise you are fractionally too late.

Maybe you can send the 3 pounder over here and I will test it... I have only used 3lb+ bats for the last 3 years and nothing under.... Can't blame me for asking can ya?...lol
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2011, 09:53:49 AM »

Maybe you can send the 3 pounder over here and I will test it... I have only used 3lb+ bats for the last 3 years and nothing under.... Can't blame me for asking can ya?...lol
You'll have to ask the hosk...
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2011, 10:26:57 AM »

What better way to test a 3lb bat than on a fast Aussie wicket...lol
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2011, 10:50:46 AM »

I'm not sure whether it was clear, but there really was an excellent selection of bats available, including these three. While no-one is massively impressed by the aesthetics of the reserve or Ultra, everyone agreed that they were real weapons.



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« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2011, 11:41:01 AM »

been mulling over these tests, a few observations but apologies if any of the points below have been already taken into account:-

1. Agree with Simmy's point - more weight does generally equal a bigger/wider middle. Comparing a 3lb bat to a 2'9 doesn't make sense particularly if the user normally has a different weight to either of those in his locker. Score the performance based on per lb/kg?
2. Putting this kindly, from the videos I have seen I'm not convinced it's the greatest collection of batsman on show. Stig excluded. I haven't seen any videos since yesterday morning so apologies if I've missed some quality batsmanship. I might be missing the odd video but I think there are some better batters knocking around this forum who could add some input - maybe let members know about the next test day?
3. Brings me onto this point - little point setting a bowling machine to 60mph in dark bowling toe crushers. All the bats need to be tested over a variety of shots that the batsman can execute comfortably. Throw downs would be better in some cases.
4. Combine points 2 and 3, you have 50% of the deliveries being edged or missed from the videos.

I take the point it's a bit of fun, and it's an excellent piece of work in my book from forum members who care. I'm not trying to discourage further videos but give some food for thought.
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2011, 12:04:26 PM »

Nick - all very good points - certainly the first video where the stig is using the goose having 70mph bodyline deliveries is a hopless way to test that bat in particular - but it was done on request from a highly regarded bat making business who wanted to (laugh?) at the test/stig who might (or might not) work with them very occaisionaly. Having said that the Laver Ultra was tested in a similar set and faired rather better.

On the quality of the batsman - who every brings the bat gets to test them - all work very hard at their game and all love their cricket.

on the throwdowns point - you are absoultely correct and you should have added using a real ball would be better too, however facing a bowling machine is way more fun!!

finally - at club level, most batsman miss or edge 50% of their shots, so it is a very very realistic test ;)
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« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2011, 12:04:47 PM »

been mulling over these tests, a few observations but apologies if any of the points below have been already taken into account:-

1. Agree with Simmy's point - more weight does generally equal a bigger/wider middle. Comparing a 3lb bat to a 2'9 doesn't make sense particularly if the user normally has a different weight to either of those in his locker. Score the performance based on per lb/kg?
2. Putting this kindly, from the videos I have seen I'm not convinced it's the greatest collection of batsman on show. Stig excluded. I haven't seen any videos since yesterday morning so apologies if I've missed some quality batsmanship. I might be missing the odd video but I think there are some better batters knocking around this forum who could add some input - maybe let members know about the next test day?
3. Brings me onto this point - little point setting a bowling machine to 60mph in dark bowling toe crushers. All the bats need to be tested over a variety of shots that the batsman can execute comfortably. Throw downs would be better in some cases.
4. Combine points 2 and 3, you have 50% of the deliveries being edged or missed from the videos.

I take the point it's a bit of fun, and it's an excellent piece of work in my book from forum members who care. I'm not trying to discourage further videos but give some food for thought.
Hi Nick, your points are all valid, and as we've said before, this is incredibly unscientific. The point about the toe crushers is extremely valid, as you just don't pick them up, and that's one we've already taken up with the Cat, who was operating the bowling machine...

You also have to bear in mind that the deck isn't particularly flat. There is a ridge running across the pitch just about on a length that causes all sorts of issues with regard to consistency of bounce. You can see one pop at me in one of the videos.

I'd suggest that not having the greatest selection of batsmen (and we're all proper batsmen we'll have you know) is probably good in terms of rating. For those who hit fewer than an opener, the feel of the good hits is especially important. I'm not sure it matters who participates as it is very easy to discern between a great and good bat.

It is also fairly easy to discern between a batsman with technique and with none. If the guy with none hits a ball and it feels like a million dollars, is that any less valid than the Stig? I'm sure there are also plenty of those on the forum too  :D

With regard to testing the ping, it's not just about the use in the net. It's also testing with mallet, generally a few knock downs with a ball and also the batting with it. Scoring the performance based on weight is valid, but equally awkward as who is to say that the 3lb Icon, if it was 2lb 12oz wouldn't ping as well as the 2lb 9oz Laver Ultra?
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2011, 12:27:46 PM »

Firstly, it's all healthy debate and thanks for taking my comments in the right spirit. Just to add that I agree that a selection of abilities in the batting isn't a bad thing. Somebody who middles a ball consistently may not recommend a bat that a tailender might. That said, a tailender might not want to spend £200 on a bat, but a batsman would. Tricky one.
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Re: Batoff II - Bola's Revenge
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2011, 12:34:25 PM »

all i was meaning with weight... science tells us that the bigger the bat hitting the ball the harder u can hit the ball...

its like a mini being plowed into by a big truck it would move alot more than if it was hit by a fiesta.
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