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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #150 on: January 17, 2012, 12:21:55 PM »

shocking lol they cant make much from ticket sales compared with

uk/aus etc

most games are near enough full

Sadly thats true mate, quite unfortunate. Only English and Australian test are full or nearly full.

Alba I meant channel, I'm watching on Ten Sports.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #151 on: January 17, 2012, 12:22:44 PM »

This topic is bubbling up lovely!! Can it rival the Aus/India one???

My team might be doing horrendously but at least my threads are setting the world on fire  :D
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #152 on: January 17, 2012, 12:24:48 PM »

Flights not cheap from Pakistan I imagine?

Another reason to hate terrorist scumbags, not content with blowing people up they now take the atmospere out of Test cricket!

There is lot of Pakistanis in UAE mate lot of them but most of them is labour while proper office job etc level is quite less compared to that.

For a middle class who watches the mathc for him its not very cheap to travel out to UAE from Pakistan
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #153 on: January 17, 2012, 12:24:55 PM »

!! WARNING !! this is a very misleading picture...



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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #154 on: January 17, 2012, 12:25:05 PM »

In 1992 when the whole reverse swing thing kicked off, the ball was removed at the lunch interval due to it's condition (according to third party observers). It has been kept under lock and key for nearly 20 years. England in 2005 were subject to regular inspections and apart from a "mint" (listen to yourself) nothing was wrong with the condition of the ball. Big difference.

Today, if he's bending the arm beyond the law then it needs to be looked at. The definition of chucking is a moving target and what players can get away with today isn't the same as 20 years ago. This 15 degrees is a crock, a few degrees is natural in most bowlers but 15? At 15 you should be clearly able to see the bend and most observers have by the sounds of it. Worst thing about it is youngsters copy. I had a word with one captain about a colt last season that was throwing his quicker ball, seeing high profile players "bend" the laws doesn't help.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #155 on: January 17, 2012, 12:25:23 PM »

ohhh the pain of defeat!! it is clearly still sore!!
just remember if Warne was captain, you would have won, so you can't blame the mint sucking!! Plus that is a myth that it makes a difference.

Not the pain of defeat - we did annihilate that same English team 5-0 barely 16 months later, so revenge was served - it is the wonder of hypocrisy.

Botham, Lamb etc went to court such was their belief that reverse swing was the product of Pakistani cheating, as it was "impossible" in Ian Bothams words for an old ball to swing in reverse fashion unless some tampering had taken place.

The English cricket public agreed with him.

Fast forward 13 years and the ball is suddenly reversing after only fifteen overs - with the aid of mints as confirmed by Marcus Trescothick in his autobiography - and ofcourse this is all pure English artistic genius.

It is funny that since then, bowlers are able to reverse the old ball, but no-one, ever again has been able to reverse the the new ball after only 14-15 overs like Flintoff and Jones were able to do that one summer. Not even Jones himself who bowled gun-barrell straight in later days after the mints expose.

No need for Warne to be captain to win that series by the way. As long as McGrath remained upright, England would never have won even one test.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #156 on: January 17, 2012, 12:27:19 PM »

reverse swing has been around since way before 1992

oh and Vic - that was tongue in cheak - and I don't remember this 2007 series you refer to

Umar Gul has reverse swung the ball within 15 overs in test, one day and 2020 matches.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #157 on: January 17, 2012, 12:32:16 PM »

ok - largely my fault for the spurious deviation - let's keep this to Eng vs Pak and Pak's batting for the next 2.5 days, I think we can Aussie/Pom bash another time somewhere else
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #158 on: January 17, 2012, 12:32:51 PM »

Taufeeq Umar looks properly scared of Tremlett.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2012, 12:33:29 PM »

I was watching on Sky Sports earlier, havent watched anything since the end of 2nd session though, i'm about to turn it back on to see England bowl! 9 wickets for spinners already on the 1st day hmmmmm where is Monty?!

Can I just say that I am far from anti-Pakistan as you will see by my previous posts and I love watching quality spinners bowl. I would say exactly the same if any country had a bowler with a similar action including England. As you say the ICC watches alot more cricket than me!

Lets not be dragged down a level, our views on cricket will always differ and thats why this forum is great! No need for us to get petty about it  :)
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #160 on: January 17, 2012, 12:34:22 PM »

reverse swing has been around since way before 1992

oh and Vic - that was tongue in cheak - and I don't remember this 2007 series you refer to

Umar Gul has reverse swung the ball within 15 overs in test, one day and 2020 matches.

Of course Buzz...Allan Connolly was reverse swinging the ball in test cricket in the 1960's. Sarfraz was reversing it as early as 1972 and Imran soon after.

So it had been around for a while.

In Australia they used to say "The ball is going Irish" becaause the ball swung in the opposite direction to normal.

Connolly maintains that he discovered it purely by accident when he noticed that the older ball would on certain days swing in the opposite direction to what he intended.

I am sure that is how the Pakistani bowlers discovered it too - by accident.

In the hot dry conditions of the sub continent and Australia, the ball can reverse after 40-50 overs if sweat is imparted on the shiney side and the rough side is kept as dry as possible.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #161 on: January 17, 2012, 12:40:52 PM »

Taufeeq Umar looks properly scared of Tremlett.

Before or after that blistering boundary down the ground?
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #162 on: January 17, 2012, 12:45:18 PM »

Played against Taufeeq Umar a few times, he didn't perform very well when he was Pro at Lancaster

http://carnforth.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=10616880
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #163 on: January 17, 2012, 12:46:12 PM »

Before or after that blistering boundary down the ground?

Haha that poster posted it before that shot.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #164 on: January 17, 2012, 12:47:14 PM »

Played against Taufeeq Umar a few times, he didn't perform very well when he was Pro at Lancaster

http://carnforth.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=10616880


Great strike rate there Tommy!
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