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[Buzz]

can someone add in a pic of graeme smith from side on if possible, in the nets or something.

can we keep it to grip rather than feet position for the moment... that will come later, after stance!

jock strap disaster I agree!

[Colesy]

Oh, got it, still on hand positioning for dismissals?

[Opener]

What I think is that due to the bottom hand grip and the back lift they play with a closed face and edge balls to slip/gully and are candidates for lbw if the ball moves around. On the other hand they would be quick to get in position for the short balls.

[Nickauger]

Also can people say what they think the effects are of how the bats are being held, in terms of shot making and possible dismissals.

Yes I reckon I could

[Buzz]

Yes I reckon I could

go on then!

we want to see the effects of a typically good grip (warner) a grip with the hands slightly apart (hussey) and with a dominant bottom hand chocking the bat (hughes).

[Colesy]

Hughes, caught driving (not being able to drive straight?)

Hussey, caught slips?

[Buzz]

Ok - I am not going to focus on David Warner as his grip is good,

Starting with Hussey - His hands are slightly apart - this isn't the worst thing in the world - it can work - the downside is that you can loose power and certain shots can be slightly awkward. Effectively the further apart your hands are the harder it is for your hands to work "together" and that makes you more likely to fence at one - as Colesy points out.
Driving also becomes slightly harder although it does allow you to keep the ball down more through the off-side - but can lead to a caught mid-wicket on the off side.

Right which leaves the issues with having too strong a bottom hand...
Playing around your front pad, missing straight ones, in ability to drive through the off-side, a suceptability to the short ball on the 4th stump line. All because you want to cut and pull harder.
And then there is graeme smith who has forged a successful career - I suspect he and Phillip Hughes must both had the most sensational eye for a ball.
anyone else got any thoughts?

[langer17]

go on then!

we want to see the effects of a typically good grip (warner) a grip with the hands slightly apart (hussey) and with a dominant bottom hand chocking the bat (hughes).

Warner looks like he struggles against spin, as his bottom hand wants to take over.

[Buzz]

Warner looks like he struggles against spin, as his bottom hand wants to take over.

Is that a grip thing or a mental thing?
Given he is typically more of a hitter than a "worker" is it likely that he will have difficulty facing spin - but he has played more in India than most so has some experience of it - plus openign the batting it will mean he will have his eye in if he lasts long enough to face spin.

[uknsaunders]

it's a curse of having great hand/eye co-ordination. Faster you bowl it the more reflexes and instinct play a part. Let him think about it and it creates problems. I'd suggest it's a mental approach through a combination of thought processes and shot selection.

[Buzz]

Stance now





these show a number of different stances are successful - it is largely based on comfort.
See Warner and VVS Dravid with the huge wide stance, while Vaughan and Hussain have their feet closer together. Sachin and Sewag look relaxed and comfortable, which is ideal.

And then there are these two


pick holes and enjoy!

[langer17]

Is that a grip thing or a mental thing?
Given he is typically more of a hitter than a "worker" is it likely that he will have difficulty facing spin - but he has played more in India than most so has some experience of it - plus openign the batting it will mean he will have his eye in if he lasts long enough to face spin.

India opened with Ashwin today, and Warner looked very hard handed against him.

Ashwin also bowled in the first hour in the first innings and Warner went into his shell a bit.

Seems like a waste of the new ball, but could be a solid tactic against Warner as he seems more hesitant to go after it,  compared to when the ball is coming on against a pace bowler.

[langer17]

Stance now





these show a number of different stances are successful - it is largely based on comfort.
See Warner and VVS with the huge wide stance, while Vaughan and Hussain have their feet closer together. Sachin and Sewag look relaxed and comfortable, which is ideal.

And then there are these two


pick holes and enjoy!

That's Dravid.

You think Warner and Dravid are big, look at how big Cowan's is, lol.

[Buzz]

India opened with Ashwin today, and Warner looked very hard handed against him.

Ashwin also bowled in the first hour in the first innings and Warner went into his shell a bit.

Seems like a waste of the new ball, but could be a solid tactic against Warner as he seems more hesitant to go after it,  compared to when the ball is coming on against a pace bowler.

nice spot - I haven't seen any of the cricket being played at the moment so can't comment - but I can't see too many teams wanting to waste the new ball with a spinner...

[The_Bird]

Whilst attempting to improve my golf swing I was taught that everything starts from
the grip, if my grip was slightly wrong then the whole plane, timing and balance of my swing would be off.

I found this quote in a golf magazine.

''The position of the club face is largely determined by the grip, and the path of the club head is influenced considerably by the stance.''

Also interested to see how stances have changed over the years, this chap was a pretty good player and looks similar to the two pics at the bottom



Sir Jack Hobbs, 199 FC centuries...