Topic: Overrated Bats (Read 10184 times)

Buzz · « **Reply #30 on:** February 03, 2012, 11:08:27 AM »

I really don't get this topic.

it is a case of "i didn't like this model of bat because I got a dud" or "these bats are way to expensive so are a rip off"

ok - let's start with the dud model of bats -
bats and pressing and technology has improved out of sight in the last 10 years, that comes at a cost. Welcome to the free market. Some bats may not be perfect - but they are made from a natural product, so the will break etc

overseas - ie antipodean bats. The willow has to be shipped from the UK to NZ/Aus - and tax paid on this. the bats are crafted and then resold - but the pound is no longer AUD3 or more to the pound - the Pound has lost a lot of strength as it is politically expedient for it to be weak - to help investments and reduce our debt mountain.
then there is inflation - on willow prices on shipping prices and on TAX.
then there is import tax back to the UK

shock bats made overseas are suddenly very expensive.

then we have the big brands - their bats have gone up because their costs have gone up, players want more money, as their exposure is bigger than before - there are expensive CNC machines to pay for - and GM are not the only company who has to cover the cost on one of these machines.

It really shouldn't be a surprise that bats are massively more expensive than in the past.

Membership to this forum and the colossal discounts available as a result is a huge privilege and is massively undervalued. For example, the ability to get semi custom made TK bats for under �200 - these are �350 with newbery stickers on. seriously no bats are overrated these days, they are bits of wood you either like or don't like.

most bats that are traded on here haven't even been used, it is nuts.

rant over.
for now.

Ross, you are of course correct fruit bats are overrated, but they are a semi-endangered species are they not?

Canners · « **Reply #31 on:** February 03, 2012, 11:25:36 AM »

didnt i say that

Buzz · « **Reply #32 on:** February 03, 2012, 11:27:46 AM »

yes canners exactly what you said...

Quote from: Canners on February 02, 2012, 01:19:29 PM

i think this is a bit of a nonsense topic, because bats vary from bat to bat, e.g you could get an absolutely blinding gray nics legend and you could also get a not so good one

i think this thread should be most disappointing bats.........i agree i wasnt as impressed with the laminate i had as i thought i would be, but i guess theres others out there that are world beaters.... its luck of the drawer in some cases IMO

The_Bird · « **Reply #33 on:** February 03, 2012, 11:53:14 AM »

I find it hard to grumble about the prices of things that aren't a necessity. Expensive bats are a luxury just like cars, yachts etc. Now I've found this forum I'll never buy an overpriced bat again I don't think. The Fruit Bat appreciation society will be fuming I'm sure.

Buzz · « **Reply #34 on:** February 03, 2012, 11:59:31 AM »

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=30865913044

Sherpa75 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 03, 2012, 12:02:19 PM »

well said Buzz .. if you can afford the pick of what you want it's never overrated, it might not perform how you would like it to in your hands but that doesn't mean it's not a whole world or awesome in someone else's. What are most frequently overrated are peoples opinions of their own batting skills, you can't blame a bat because you don't have the skills to use it. If you don't like over con caved bats don't buy one, there's plenty of shapes out there for everyone's tastes and budgets. If you get lucky and buy a cheapo grade 3 ugly mofo and it plays better than your 400 plus pound GM LE, consider yourself lucky you got a stonker, not that the more expensive bat is a stinker

The_Bird · « **Reply #36 on:** February 03, 2012, 12:05:25 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on February 03, 2012, 11:59:31 AM

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=30865913044

Lol

Opener · « **Reply #37 on:** February 03, 2012, 03:45:29 PM »

I disagree with Buzz with costs increasing for big brands due to CNCs among other things. Since when did mechanization increase costs? Its mostly about player sponsorship.

I think the real issue is the expectation that brand X would be so much better than brand Y and the disappointment when it really is not. So it is not that the bats are not good but that marketing was quite misleading. But don't we see the same sort of thing for computers and electronics.

Buzz · « **Reply #38 on:** February 03, 2012, 03:51:21 PM »

Quote from: Opener on February 03, 2012, 03:45:29 PM

I disagree with Buzz with costs increasing for big brands due to CNCs among other things. Since when did mechanization increase costs? Its mostly about player sponsorship.

how much do you think a CNC machine costs? !! Short term the costs are up - longer term the costs will be down - it also allows for a consistent product production which is important for a mass producing brand.

roco · « **Reply #39 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:09:23 PM »

I know how much they cost and there not cheap but depends what one you get as the gm one your talking �250,000-�500,000 I'd think due to complexity of machine and programming

Opener · « **Reply #40 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:10:26 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on February 03, 2012, 03:51:21 PM

how much do you think a CNC machine costs? !! Short term the costs are up - longer term the costs will be down - it also allows for a consistent product production which is important for a mass producing brand.

Of course CNC machines are not cheap otherwise everyone would use them. I don't think many bat makers are as idealistic as we think they are.

Do they employ the same number of people per amounts of bats made? Of course not! With the kind of volumes that GM and the like churn out I don't think the investment into a CNC machine will drive prices up even for a short period. If it does it shows a lack of planning.

Tom · « **Reply #41 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:14:59 PM »

GM are about the only ones making in house, so CNC machines shouldn't have a great impact on the rest of the big brands prices.

Rising costs of players and manufacture in India (for various reasons) is why prices go up. Very roughly speaking every �5 extra the maker pays, the end user pays approx �20.

Buzz · « **Reply #42 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:41:01 PM »

Quote from: Tom on February 03, 2012, 04:14:59 PM

GM are about the only ones making in house, so CNC machines shouldn't have a great impact on the rest of the big brands prices.

Rising costs of players and manufacture in India (for various reasons) is why prices go up. Very roughly speaking every �5 extra the maker pays, the end user pays approx �20.

GM and TK aren't the only firms using a CNC machine.

Opener · « **Reply #43 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:43:29 PM »

Tom, if Gray Nicholls have their own willow plantations. Should it be cheaper for them to manufacture bats in India than Indian brands?

Tom · « **Reply #44 on:** February 03, 2012, 06:49:25 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on February 03, 2012, 04:41:01 PM

GM and TK aren't the only firms using a CNC machine.

Yes. But the majority of the big brands - Kookaburra, Slaz, Adidas, Puma, Nike, Mongoose, Newbery make no bats in house. So why would a bill of �500,000 for a cnc directly affect their prices?

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