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[ProWannabe88]

Riggers

Take my advice mate, ignore this topic now. I had the same problem a few years back. Everyone has there own input and ideas of what is made and where etc and how good or not so good the finisher, maker, sticker upperer may be 

Just go with your gut, it's your gear, your money and entirely your choice. If you like Woodstock go for them because you like the gear, same for any other brands you Considered. t doesn't matter who does what with the bats. If it goes like a stabbed rat it really doesn't matter if it was made in the fires of mordor or put together with a hobos grotty claw and spit. If it's a good stick it will serve you well, you'll score the runs with it and more over you'll be happy with your investment.

Go with your gut and if you use any forum brand or a brand that's worth us all debating over like this you are going to be guaranteed quality stuff.

[Alvaro]

My Iphone has crap ping though...

[ProWannabe88]

My Iphone has crap ping though...

Changed mine for an HTC and it goes better than my iPhone, think they are just pressed differently 

[Alvaro]

Changed mine for an HTC and it goes better than my iPhone, think they are just pressed differently 

I heard they were all made in the same factory....

[ProWannabe88]

Should ask johnnog (Mr Woodstock in disguise) he knows who makes and who doesn't apparently. He may be able to tell me a thing or two about BR and other established makers, brands on here by the sounds of things.

[Simmy]

But what if the shaping is all done by a CNC, and all the batmaker does it finish the bat?

Is there any art in that? Are they rightly considered a batmaker (which puts them on par with the guys who do make completely)?

no if that is the case then your are just a brand that sells bats not a maker!

[wilkie113]

If it goes like a stabbed rat it really doesn't matter if it was made in the fires of mordor or put together with a hobos grotty claw and spit.

Possibly the best single one line bat comparison I have ever heard!

[Tom]

This comes back to the question, does anyone normal (i.e. who doesn't spend their time in CBF or CI) really care? If the bat works well, they generally won't ask loads of questions.

If the CNC shape originates from the batmaker in question, then surely they have designed the bat? As others have said, if the pressing is to their specification, does it matter who does it?

Every day you use an iPhone you use an Apple Product, designed by apple and made by someone else... What's different?

The Apple factory and sourcing practises have come under great scrutiny in the past few weeks. They have even released a full supplier list, to answer some questions posed by the press.

Queries and controversy over where things are made doesn't just go on in cricket forums.

Whilst most buyers don't care about where there bats are made, some do. Which is why certain brands/individuals are keen to paint themselves as 'Master Batmakers' - it brings an air of superior and handmade product to the table. And in cases where this isn't true, or is debateable, then the punter deserves to know.

Just because 90% of people don't care, it doesn't mean you should be dishonest to the 100%.

[ProWannabe88]

But what if the shaping is all done by a CNC, and all the batmaker does it finish the bat?

Is there any art in that? Are they rightly considered a batmaker (which puts them on par with the guys who do make completely)?

Tom, you're fishing here as your knowledge on the industry trumps most members, and rightly so with your experience etc but I'm nibbling 
Name one brand with a large enough customer/production base that doesn't use a cnc in some shape or form?? Even if its just to shape the cleft in general? With demand.it would be impossible to hand make every single bat from the raw cuts in time to serve customer needs. Having the ability to make a bat from scratch is what defines a podshaver, there's a few genuine ones around today and even they will use a cnc to cut out the grunt work for production / time purposes. They'd be idiots not to help themselves.

[ProWannabe88]

The Apple factory and sourcing practises have come under great scrutiny in the past few weeks. They have even released a full supplier list, to answer some questions posed by the press.

Queries and controversy over where things are made doesn't just go on in cricket forums.

Whilst most buyers don't care about where there bats are made, some do. Which is why certain brands/individuals are keen to paint themselves as 'Master Batmakers' - it brings an air of superior and handmade product to the table. And in cases where this isn't true, or is debateable, then the punter deserves to know.

Just because 90% of people don't care, it doesn't mean you should be dishonest to the 100%.

Totally agree. And those that paint themselves are usually discovered on here.

[Tom]

A batmaker for me is someone with the ability and knowledge to make a bat from scratch, understand what makes a good bat, what suits certain players, and work consistently to improve it. They can use CNC to help themselves. I consider Tim Keeley a batmaker and a very good one at that. But there are a number of people jumping on the 'batmaker' bandwagon for marketing purposes, and not for the love of the art.

[ProWannabe88]

A batmaker for me is someone with the ability and knowledge to make a bat from scratch, understand what makes a good bat, what suits certain players, and work consistently to improve it. They can use CNC to help themselves. I consider Tim Keeley a batmaker and a very good one at that. But there are a number of people jumping on the 'batmaker' bandwagon for marketing purposes, and not for the love of the art.

TK and RP are good friends and this conversation crops up a lot when I go to the pack cave. The general consensus from those guys is that its incredibly frustrating for the real podshavers more than anything seeing the pretenders claiming the title. But as we know they still produce quality products for many other brands, especially TK, but at least if you know the source you know the quality (pressing, willow) to expect

[Dan W]

no i'm not lying to you or anyone. Quite the opposite in fact.

Lol 

Fair play for coming clean(ish), eventually.

[Riggers]

I've had to read that twice to make sure that I got it right.

You say you should come clean, as opposed to carrying on lying, you are a liar full stop and that last post is full of lies.

You have been caught out by people on here who have told me the truth about you and then forced you to admit it. Take it from em that I will not be using Woodstock ever and I will tell anyone I know so avoid it at all costs. It does not amtter to me that John was sacked, or that someone makes all his bats, or that all his softs are copied with his logo on. It matters when he lies and you lie as someone who makes a profit from the sales your lies bring.

Enjoy banter with who you like but without people knowing the truth you would be still doing whatrever you liked.

[Alvaro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EYlXay0njE

So what's left on your list?