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« on: March 05, 2012, 02:38:10 PM »

Having been on a big curve in a week I thought it might be worth having a set definition of terms for people to use. I got lots of people say they make or craft or finish so can we have a set list of all the job to turn a tree into a bat?

Cut tree
Split tree
Cut cleft
Press
Add handle
Shape
Sand
Bind
Sticker

Which process would make you amaker and which would make you a crafter and which would make you a finisher?
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 02:50:08 PM »

Willow Murchant:
Cut tree
Split tree
Cut cleft

Finisher:
Sand
Bind
Sticker

Bat Maker:
Shape
Sand
Bind
Sticker

Master bat Maker
Cut cleft
Press
Add handle
Shape
Sand
Bind
Sticker
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 02:51:46 PM »

Very few makers go back to cutting and splitting a tree.

A batmaker for me has the ability to do everything from Press onwards (inclusive). Doesn't always do them all.
Crafter from shape onwards.
Finisher from sand onwards.
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 03:10:26 PM »

Very few makers go back to cutting and splitting a tree.

A batmaker for me has the ability to do everything from Press onwards (inclusive). Doesn't always do them all.
Crafter from shape onwards.
Finisher from sand onwards.

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Re: Definitions
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 03:20:46 PM »

Willow Murchant:
Cut tree
Split tree
Cut cleft

Finisher:
Sand
Bind
Sticker

Bat Maker:
Shape
Sand
Bind
Sticker

Master bat Maker
Cut cleft
Press
Add handle
Shape
Sand
Bind
Sticker

I think simmy pretty much covers it here. What happens if they do everything a master bat maker does but doesnt press/cut the cleft? does that make them a apprentice master bat maker? lol  :D
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 06:28:48 PM »

A "bat maker" does as the title would suggest make bats. Making is taking the raw ingredients and forming them into a fully finished article fit for purpose. As the current Tree to Batsman route has 4 main players maybe they should to be listed.

Willow Merchant,

A company buying standing tree's and felling, riving, clefting and seasoning the clefts.

Bat Maker,

Buying the cleft, shaping, pressing, splicing and finishing it.

Brand,

Buying the bat, labeling it, promoting the brand and wholesaling to shops.

Shop,

Stocking, advising and selling bats.

BAT MAKING,

This is essence involves rough shaping to a shape that will be able to fit into a press/presses and able worked into the desired finished shape. It does vary according to the maker/manufacturer but generally includes the same methods. The pressing again is very similar to watch but some people have adapted differing principles and presses to vastly altered the process with regard to performance. Shaping can be either by hand or by machine, with the right skills either can produce the same shape no matter how extreme. Finishing is the process of sanding the shaped bat as well as polishing and binding.

People seem to be able to call themselves a bat maker by merely carrying out finishing and that is their call but I do think that the deliberate act of buying in a part "MADE" bat would indicate that the making has been carried out already. As for adding "Master" to the term bat maker I would think they have either over inflated their ego instead of a drum sander by mistake or they have genuinely spent so many years in all areas of bat making that is has been bestowed on them by their peers.

I think that a clear system on the forum would be great but who would want to sign up to it and why? Tom Evans has made a point elsewhere and referenced it well with his own personal experience of shaping a part made clefts that the pressing is key and so you can sell a great bat without the need to be a bat maker, but then don't shops do this every single day without a fancy title?
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2012, 06:29:47 PM »

WOW! :O

Look who's here?!

Welcome back mate, hope you enjoy your stay here :)

Your vast knowledge is still missed here I'd say :)

Take Care
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 06:36:05 PM »

CD, thank you for you kind words, your vast bat buying wallet is missed by me too.....
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 06:37:53 PM »

Haha LOL!

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PS: I hope you keep posting here now :)
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 06:39:15 PM »

WOW! :O

Look who's here?!

Welcome back mate, hope you enjoy your stay here :)

Your vast knowledge is still missed here I'd say :)

Take Care

Have to agree, I haven't been on here long and it was just before Talisman went off :(. Glad to see your back :)
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2012, 06:43:10 PM »

Talisman is like a PhD holder when it comes to cricket equipment and man is dictionary himself.

There are few others too but in my eyes they certainly don't rank along Talisman.

All newbies will learn a lot from Talisman and his post (if he continues to post) :)
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2012, 06:49:43 PM »

Its like forum royalty has resumed
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2012, 06:50:19 PM »

You are both far too kind, but very accurate....
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2012, 06:52:06 PM »

Welcome back Mike.....normal service set to resume I hope.
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Re: Definitions
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 06:52:49 PM »

NO, better than before.
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