Topic: Laminates (Read 11317 times)

Fezballoh · « **on:** April 12, 2012, 06:20:53 AM »

Just putting it out there as it seems there are lots of threads about this right now and it interests me.

Am I right in thinking that pro's aren't allowed to used laminated bats? If this is the case then why does anyone want to use them at all? I can't think of another circumstance, in any sport where it would be acceptible to give yourself such an advantage as people say laminates give you over 'type A' bats (hope I've got my terminology right there).

My take on it is: If you can't hit the ball well enough to clear the rope then how come you get to buy your sixes? I would be mightly hacked off if someone came out on Henfield common with a laminated bat and started blasting the ball further than they could with a sanctioned cricket bat.

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2012, 07:18:45 AM »

Golf is similar when buying a driver as some arent allowed on the pro circuit due to oversized heads etc

tim2000s · « **Reply #2 on:** April 12, 2012, 07:31:05 AM »

What most people fail to remember is that you could spend �250 on a laminate or �250 on coaching with your regular bat. The coaching would improve your performance by a much greater extent than buying the Laminate would.

Talisman · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2012, 07:49:22 AM »

I've stated it on here before that a GENUINE PERFORMANCE laminated bat DOES NOT hit the ball further than a standard bat, what it does is guarantee performance on par with the very finest Pro issue bats as such a high ratio as to be close to 100%.

Now as people seemed hooked on the prospect of getting a laminate I would warn against buying any old bat, an easy test is that the join should be nearly invisible in the edge of it to the naked eye, you should never see it. There are the same old liars peddling their versions as the real deal so buyer beware.

Do Pro's use them illegally? No, they are allowed to use them.

tim2000s · « **Reply #4 on:** April 12, 2012, 08:36:03 AM »

Quote from: Talisman on April 12, 2012, 07:49:22 AM

Do Pro's use them illegally? No, they are allowed to use them.

Contrary to Law 6....

Talisman · « **Reply #5 on:** April 12, 2012, 08:44:40 AM »

The use of a laminated bat can be done in accordance.

tim2000s · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2012, 08:45:59 AM »

How?

PedalsMcgrew · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2012, 08:51:55 AM »

Hi Mike,

How is it possible to use a Lam without breaking the laws of the game? Doesn't the law state that the blade must be made of one piece of wood?

Or is it the 'repaired bat' loophole I have heard about but don't actually know if it exists?

Tom · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2012, 08:57:48 AM »

Every manufacturer got this memo in August:

�The latest version of the Laws of Cricket (2000 Code � 4th Edition, 2010,) which came into effect on the 1st October 2010, maintains the illegal status of laminated bats, as was previously the case in the 3rd Edition in 2008, when Law 6 underwent substantial change. Laminated bats are not permitted in any matches that are played under the Laws of Cricket.

Law 6.4(b) states: �The blade shall consist solely of wood.� It is the ruling of MCC, in consultation with ICC, that the use of adhesives in laminated cricket bats contravenes this Law. Adhesives are allowed in the splice area for joining the handle to the blade and are also allowed, in Type B & C bats, for securing toe and side inserts. Apart from in those specific areas, or for repairs to damaged bats, no adhesives may be used in the blade. MCC has conducted research into this area, which concluded that a bat�s performance could be enhanced by lamination. For clarification, lamination is when at least two pieces of wood are glued together to form the blade. It is the glue used in this process that means that the blade does not �consist solely of wood.�

This memorandum has also been sent to all national boards and to the ICC, who will be instructing umpires not to allow the use of any laminated bats. It is expected that the boards will also make this point clear to their players. At amateur level, umpires will also be encouraged to look out for laminated bats and will stop them being used.�

tim2000s · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2012, 08:58:39 AM »

Quote

Law 6 (The bat)

3. The handle
(a) One end of the handle is inserted into a recess in the blade as a means of joining the handle and the blade. The part of the handle that is then wholly outside the blade is defined to be the upper portion of the handle. It is a straight shaft for holding the bat. The remainder of the handle is its lower portion used purely for joining the blade and the handle together. It is not part of the blade but, solely in interpreting 5 and 6 below, references to the blade shall be considered to extend also to the lower portion of the handle where relevant.
(b) The handle is to be made principally of cane and/or wood, glued where necessary and bound with twine along the upper portion.
(c) Providing 7 below is not contravened, the upper portion may be covered with materials solely to provide a surface suitable for gripping. Such covering is an addition and is not part of the bat. Note, however, 8 below.
(d) Notwithstanding 4(c) and 5 below, both the twine binding and the covering grip may extend beyond the junction of the upper and lower portions, to cover part of the shoulders as defined in Appendix E.

4. The blade
(a) The blade comprises the whole of the bat apart from the handle as defined above. The blade has a face, a back, a toe, sides and shoulders. See Appendix E.
(b) The blade shall consist solely of wood.
(c) No material may be placed on or inserted into either the blade or the lower portion of the handle other than as permitted in 3(d) above and 5 and 6 below, together with the minimal adhesives or adhesive tape used solely for fixing these items, or for fixing the handle to the blade.

5. Covering the blade
All bats may have commercial identifications on the blade. Type A and Type B bats may have no other covering on the blade except as permitted in 6 below. Type C bats may have a cloth covering on the blade. This may be treated as specified in 6 below.
Such covering is additional to the blade and is not part of the bat. Note, however, 8 below.

6. Protection and repair
Providing neither 4 above nor 7 below is contravened,
(a) solely for the purposes of
either (i) protection from surface damage to the face, sides and shoulders of the blade
or (ii) repair to the blade after damage
material that is not rigid, either at the time of its application to the blade or subsequently, may be placed on these surfaces. Any such material shall not extend over any part of the back of the blade except in the case of (ii) above and then only when it is applied as a continuous wrapping covering the damaged area.
(b) solid material may be inserted into the blade for repair after damage other than surface damage. Additionally, for protection from damage, for Types B and C, material may be inserted at the toe and/or along the sides, parallel to the face of the blade.
The only material permitted for any insertion is wood with minimal essential adhesives.
(c) to prevent damage to the toe, material may be placed on that part of the blade but shall not extend over any part of the face, back or sides of the blade.
(d) the surface of the blade may be treated with non-solid materials to improve resistance to moisture penetration and/or mask natural blemishes in the appearance of the wood. Save for the purpose of giving a homogeneous appearance by masking natural blemishes, such treatment must not materially alter the colour of the blade.
Any materials referred to in (a), (b), (c) or (d) above are additional to the blade and not part of the bat. Note, however, 8 below.

That's the detail, and I don't see how replacing the face of the blade with a laminate to repair "surface damage" is legitimate given 6b...

Talisman · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2012, 09:26:22 AM »

I don't write the laws but I can tell you first hand from a player caught using a bat with lamination that he was not only permitted to continue by the umpire in a first class game but also the umpires report with regard to the bat was followed up with a letter allowing the continued use of the bat. Now I cannot give every single detail but it's not the only instance of this happening.

As with all rules or laws it is the interpretation that counts. The MCC has looked at the subject but I would question the knowledge and experience of those charged with this, especially when one of them phones me to ask about lamination and carbon in handles....

Tom · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2012, 09:47:18 AM »

Which player was it?

Talisman · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2012, 09:50:10 AM »

Well that would be a gimme wouldn't it Tom... But I'm sure since I've showed you a laminate in the flesh and with the confidential knowledge you have from your time with Marcus you would be aware of the high profile names who have had them.

Tom · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2012, 09:53:07 AM »

I'm not aware of any players using them, and was never asked by a player to supply one.

(maybe that's where we went wrong!)

Number4 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2012, 09:57:36 AM »

Have we worked out who's dick is bigger yet?

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