Topic: England toughens up qualifying criteria (Read 6467 times)

FvanN · « **on:** April 30, 2012, 06:54:30 PM »

Just been catching up on sporting events, mainly the super rugby and came across this article. Whats everybody's thoughts?

http://www.supersport.com/cricket/international/news/120430/England_toughens_up_qualifying_criteria

I think its a good thing and will help develop the younger players in England but that said I don't blame KP for wanting to play cricket and I am so glad he did move as it's hard to imagine cricket without one of the most electrifying bats man to ever pick up a cricket bat.

Mods please move this if its in the wrong place..

Buzz · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2012, 07:44:54 PM »

I support the idea, I think there have been too many overseas players playing for Eng - the notion that we are an SA second team grates with me!!

praguetaz · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2012, 07:59:06 PM »

I think it's ridiculous.. we have the exact same situation here in the Czech Republic where you can play for the national team if you've played for 4 consecutive years or I think have been in the country for 7 years (not sure about the last bit). Unfortunately, the teams full of expats and a couple of Czechs and with no proper junior development or grass roots it'll always be the way. The other teams like Russia, Sweden, Estonia etc I believe are all or mostly Indians!! Why not just tour like most clubs instead of representing a country that is not really yours but happens to be where you're working / living. I think I'm eligible this year but I won't be putting my name down....

Johnny · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:53:35 AM »

Just read up on this. How come it's the ECB who get to decide the qualification period? Surely it should be the ICC? If a super talented player from overseas wants to play for England and they really are THAT good, can't they just change their rules again to allow them to get picked sooner?

FvanN · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:41:21 AM »

It seems they have left the door open to change the rules at will. I just feel for the guys who were just about to break into the England squad only to be told a guy from another country has been picked in your place.

On the other side of the coin how well would England have done over the last 6 years without the SA players in the squad?

Simmy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:44:03 AM »

i think a national team should be english players nobody else!

look the national football teams

Number4 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:07:48 AM »

Quote from: FvanN on May 01, 2012, 06:41:21 AM

On the other side of the coin how well would England have done over the last 6 years without the SA players in the squad?

The simple answer to this should be "who cares"... At least nobody would be able to keep throwing it back in England's face about a team of South Africans.

Can't have your cake and eat it too. I know if I was from the UK I'd be proud that it is a team of English players

uknsaunders · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:10:40 AM »

Quote from: Simmy on May 01, 2012, 06:44:03 AM

i think a national team should be english players nobody else!

look the national football teams

and look how well they have done lol

charlie15 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:56:47 AM »

I think this is great news from the ECB, however they have left in a caveat that this applies to players entering the country from 25/4/12 so those already here are eligible, plus this doesn't apply to non full members of the ICC where the qualification remains at 4 years "at the boards discretion).

On another note how many of England�s first choice XI are actually foreign;

1) Strauss (Born to English parents (?) in SA moved to England aged 6)
2) Cook (English)
3) Trott (British born parent)
4) KP (British born parent)
5) Bell (English)
6) Bopara (for arguements sake) (English)
7) Prior (English father)

Bresnan (English)
9) Broad (English)
10) Swann (English)
11) Anderson (English)

So really in an ideal world all of the above would be eligible to play for England by the virtue of having an English parent, I agree when you got to someone like Kieswetter or possibly Morgan the issue becomes more difficult to argue, but would I care if my daughter lived in England for all her life, but decided that she would rather play a sport for The Netherlands (thanks to having a Dutch mother) as she would stand a better chance of playing at the highest level , no I wouldn�t and I would actively support her to achieve her dreams!

praguetaz · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:24:15 AM »

All good points about England players with at least one English born parent and again regarding wanting to play at the highest levels possible so making a choice between parent nationalities.

As a teacher I just feel that grass roots development and a decent development programme should bring through more young talent especially in a country like the Czech Republic where it's still relatively unknown rather than Brits, Aussies, Saffers, Indians etc taking advantage of ICC funding to play in a tournament abroad.

I'm also very aware of the issues and problems of getting selected at the highest levels in countries like Bangladesh and others etc where it's more who you know, family members and class that make the difference for opportunity and selection.

charlie15 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:57:31 AM »

I agree with you that the grassroots development should be the main focus, I just think it's been neglected in quite a few sports in the UK (and probably elsewhere) up until say the 90's when we caught on how beneficial it really can be. I'd expect us to start seeing some results from it in the not to distant future like we are in the England Rugby set up.

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2012, 02:25:52 PM »

From a smaller country, in terms of cricket, point of view I can tell you that grass roots level is very very important but if the senior team doesn't do well you don't get all the funding you would need to get a good grass root level program going.

I am Indian & my wife is Canadian, so if my son chooses to and has the chance to play cricket for Canada or India I would be happy to support. As far as players representing a different country, my take is you should be able to represent a country that you have a passport from, simply put if you contribute towards taxes, can vote, own property then why not be able to represent that country in a field.

What I dont like is players who get shortcuts to play at the top level but then again there is a lot more behind it then we see/know

raymond.2 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:45:54 PM »

Britain is a melting pot of different people, if you are a citizen then you should be able to play for the national team. There are loads of south african, west-indians, pakistanis, indians and eastern european's in our country so surely it is representative if some of them play for the national team?

On a seperate note I have never understood why people oppose immigration. We are lucky enough to live in a great country, why should we force arbitrary boundaries on those who happen to have been born in rather less fortunate places. People say that they will not pay their way but over time they will, besides there are plenty of British people and companies that avoid tax.

charlie15 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:08:55 PM »

Quote from: raymond.2 on May 01, 2012, 05:45:54 PM

Britain is a melting pot of different people, if you are a citizen then you should be able to play for the national team. There are loads of south african, west-indians, pakistanis, indians and eastern european's in our country so surely it is representative if some of them play for the national team?

On a seperate note I have never understood why people oppose immigration. We are lucky enough to live in a great country, why should we force arbitrary boundaries on those who happen to have been born in rather less fortunate places. People say that they will not pay their way but over time they will, besides there are plenty of British people and companies that avoid tax.

Hear hear, completely agree with you!

Joe · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:22:26 PM »

Quote from: raymond.2 on May 01, 2012, 05:45:54 PM

Britain is a melting pot of different people, if you are a citizen then you should be able to play for the national team. There are loads of south african, west-indians, pakistanis, indians and eastern european's in our country so surely it is representative if some of them play for the national team?

On a seperate note I have never understood why people oppose immigration. We are lucky enough to live in a great country, why should we force arbitrary boundaries on those who happen to have been born in rather less fortunate places. People say that they will not pay their way but over time they will, besides there are plenty of British people and companies that avoid tax.

+1, glad to see someone else thinks this

Author Topic: England toughens up qualifying criteria (Read 6467 times)

FvanN

England toughens up qualifying criteria

Buzz

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

praguetaz

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

Johnny

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

FvanN

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

Simmy

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

Number4

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

uknsaunders

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

charlie15

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

praguetaz

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

charlie15

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

tushar sehgal

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

raymond.2

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

charlie15

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria

Joe

Re: England toughens up qualifying criteria