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Kevin Pietersen... again...
« on: July 09, 2012, 08:45:11 PM »

Having seen this on the forum, as an opinion of Kevin Pietersen's stance (s'cuse the pun) to playing more coloured clothing matches for England, I wondered what opinions of him generally were, especially after the new comments... This is the quote,

"I've defended him in the past but I give up. KP is a bellend. Throws his toys out of pram and now wants back in. There's something sociopathic about the tool. No one's bigger than the game, no matter how much brylcreem or an Indian motorbike company pay you...

I'd rather lose the World 2020 with the current England team than let this self-acclaimed hero strut about in Sri Lanka like he's the bee's knees."


For me, I've read his autobiography, and been a fan for a long long time, (a highlight being that I saw his 200 at Lords against India), I do understand the frustrations, but should we not encourage players to practice at the shorter-formats especially when for years we have been awful, and now there is a "rotation" policy in place anyway. I think that KP has been hard done by.

The irony is that only KP and Owais Shah have played regularly for an IPL team this year, proving that they are the two best batsmen we have in the (very) short format... Yet neither will represent us on the highest stage.

My problem... that England rest players dubiously, and sometimes against their will, yet, if a player wants a break, he has no option.

Opinions?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 08:47:36 PM »

Owais Shah is not one of the very best limited overs cricketers in England... good, yes, but would he get in over any of the other players. You must also remember that a lot weren't picked up in the auction and didn't even want to play.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 08:53:11 PM »

Owais Shah is not one of the very best limited overs cricketers in England... good, yes, but would he get in over any of the other players. You must also remember that a lot weren't picked up in the auction and didn't even want to play.

Owais Shah has one of the best t20 records for an Englishman
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 08:56:30 PM »

Records yes, but I'm not sure it stacks up these days. I love Owais Shah but just don't think he's international standard anymore..... perhaps.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 09:05:20 PM »

This might sound so stupid, but who is the quote from Shazz? Is it Graeme Swann?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 09:07:04 PM »

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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2012, 09:08:26 PM »

Oh right, thought it was one of the England players!
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2012, 09:24:41 PM »

But should we encourage more players to get middle time pre-season in the IPL playing a game or two a week,

Or have them stuck in the gyms, and indoor nets, especially with the sort of weather we have been having these last few years?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2013, 08:40:10 AM »

Probably not the best place for this article to go, however...

This is a great article on KP's technique by Aakash Chopra:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/668343.html

If a cricket aficionado were to pay to watch a contemporary player bat, Kevin Pietersen would likely be at the top of his wishlist.

Pietersen might have looked vulnerable against some left-arm spinners in the past, but when he gets going he's simply unstoppable. In an age when not many batsmen can instil fear in a bowler's mind, Pietersen's stocks are rising by the day.

In the second innings of the Oval Test, Pietersen was, once again, in his element and dominated the Australian attack. He not only scored runs but also established his supremacy in a manner that made the bowlers look helpless.

His charge down the track accentuates his big frame; his audacity in moving around the crease makes bowlers revise their plans in the middle of their run-up; and then he tops it with an unparalleled ability to find holes in the field.

His style makes him one of the most difficult batsmen to bowl at. He's quick to use his feet to the spinners, to get to the pitch of the ball, and to use his height to get on top of the bounce when the fast bowlers dig it in short. And he's never shy of playing unorthodox shots or taking the aerial route.

Let's start with his slightly unusual stance, where his feet are wider apart than for most modern-day batsmen. While this stance provides more stability, there is the danger of sacrificing mobility, for most players, but Pietersen's brilliance lies in how he has found a way around it - his forward-press is quite predominant, to the extent that he often walks towards the bowler, but he is seldom hurried by quick short-pitched stuff. Most bowlers dig it in short when they see a batsman charge towards them, but Pietersen seems to have all the time in the world even when the distance between him and the bowler reduces.

While some of it has to do with his natural ability to pick the line and length a shade earlier than the rest, a lot of it is about him putting in the hours to practise playing everything on the front front, even against the quickest bowlers. Once he has lunged forward, he doesn't try to get onto the back foot, even if the bowler has pitched it short, and that ensures he doesn't get into odd positions. That's when his height comes to his rescue too, for he manages to stay on top of the bounce on most occasions in spite of having a long front-foot stride.

His style of playing attacking shots - off the front foot to fast bowlers - helps him hit balls in areas that have been left unprotected. For instance, in an earlier Ashes match, Mitchell Starc had a midwicket and a square leg for the whip off the front foot - if he bowled fuller - and off the back foot if he went a little short. But Pietersen played a short ball off the front foot a lot earlier than he would have played it off the back foot, and managed to hit it between the two fielders. Placing the ball is all about the point of impact, and if you can change it effectively, you will hit the gaps often: that's exactly what Pietersen does on either side of the pitch.

He also walks across the stumps, almost taunting the bowlers to bowl straight and hit the pads. Little do the bowlers who walk into his trap know that he seldom misses the ball. And even when he does, he has come so far across that the impact is invariably outside off stump. Here too, his regulation shots go into the gap and not to the fielders. For example, if the ball is full and slightly outside off, most batsmen would hit an off-drive towards mid-off but Pietersen will probably walk across and play an on-drive. And since his on-drive is played from outside off, it goes between the bowler and mid-on.

While Pietersen is always lunging forward to fast bowlers, he's a completely different package against spinners. He latches on to every opportunity to dance down the track, at times even when the ball isn't flighted, for he wants to make his intentions known. His stepping out, thanks to his height, is a little different from that of others - he covers more ground than most. As a result, he not only forces the bowler to radically cut down on flight but also finds gaps because he is playing so far down the pitch. The moment the bowler errs and pitches short, expecting the batsman to step out, Pietersen goes deep in the crease to hit powerful shots off the back foot.

He is one of those batsmen who encourages a lot of kids to pick up the bat and learn the craft, but they would be wiser if they didn't try to emulate him, for his brand of cricket comes with a disclaimer "Try it at your own peril."
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2013, 08:54:21 AM »

There's far better "Team" players in the country than KP, but when a player of such calibre makes himself available how do you say no?

He's a match winner and has the ability to destroy attacks. Me personally, I think Ian Bell is a far better batsman (Technique etc)
I wish the ECB would take a firm stance on this issue though because its is quickly becoming a joke and we are now seeing players becoming "freelance mercenaries" traveling from competition to competition chasing a pay day.

 
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2013, 02:43:51 PM »

Good article and very true. You would never coach anyone to bat like KP but it just goes to show that trying to coach out natural talent is not always the way but it happens a lot in this country. Would KP bat like he does if he was coached in England as a kid?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2013, 02:49:29 PM »

Good article and very true. You would never coach anyone to bat like KP but it just goes to show that trying to coach out natural talent is not always the way but it happens a lot in this country. Would KP bat like he does if he was coached in England as a kid?

no


hence why we don't produce such talents. I'm no coach but there are far too many 'bad' coaches around now who just go off the manual and don't just work with peoples natural talents. Players are also judged far too much on how 'technical' they are/look rather than purely on 'who scores the most runs'.. which after all.. is the name of the game
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2013, 04:01:03 PM »

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hence why we don't produce such talents. I'm no coach but there are far too many 'bad' coaches around now who just go off the manual and don't just work with peoples natural talents. Players are also judged far too much on how 'technical' they are/look rather than purely on 'who scores the most runs'.. which after all.. is the name of the game

Yet some of the best coaches I have seen work true to the coaching manual! And coach ed is moving away from that now. Unfortunately the counties aren't and are still picking the most attractive players who can hit runs for fun on a flat quick deck but have no idea on anything else, whereas players who just score runs on any pitch yet look a bit different will not get picked. Don't blame the coaches, blame the scouts!
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2013, 04:05:19 PM »

Yet some of the best coaches I have seen work true to the coaching manual! And coach ed is moving away from that now. Unfortunately the counties aren't and are still picking the most attractive players who can hit runs for fun on a flat quick deck but have no idea on anything else, whereas players who just score runs on any pitch yet look a bit different will not get picked. Don't blame the coaches, blame the scouts!


nick is of course vastly more experienced and knowledgeable than I so... Blame the scouts!! Hang them!! :)

I'm sure it's just a mixture of the whole set up tbh, from picking kids up when they are young all the way to the top.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2013, 04:08:29 PM »

THe biggest problem is the complete lack of interest from state schools! When 95% of school children don't play cricket at school, people are going to get missed anyway. I would be interested to know what proportion of pro's are from a private school background. I bet it isn't proportionate to the number of kids educated in state and private schools!
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