Topic: KP having another hissy fit...... (Read 31350 times)

pablomarmite · « **Reply #30 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:25:27 AM »

But he doesn't want to be rested he wants to play ipl big bash and whatever other new money laden 2020 competition is started. I think the ECB have no other option because once they allow him to do it then others will follow. Remember would he be the player he is now without England and the Ecb? My guess is no. Would he be worth as much without the opportunities given to him in England? Once again no? We are entering the era of specialists and the Ecb must do all it can to protect test cricket or the counties will be bankrupt. If it means losing the odd player then so be it. Remember he is 31 and until recently his form has been patchy and if he is causing probs in the dressing room well then some may not be too sad to lose him. We all agree he is an outstanding batsman and great to watch but also frustrating when he gives his wicket away. I think he will not renew his central contract, the money on offer for ipl and big bash is simply too great and he has achieved all he needs/wants to for England.

Alvaro · « **Reply #31 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:26:29 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on August 07, 2012, 10:19:05 AM

I think Joe Root is a bit better than earnest - in fact, I reckon he'll go on to score pretty near to 8'000 test runs. But at this point in time, England do not need to be bringing him in for KP when Taylor is new to the international game and Strauss getting close to his last legs.

That was my point - he's a prospect who could be very good. Cook will get 10,000 Test runs, but it's like watching someone butcher a kitten.

Alvaro · « **Reply #32 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:29:55 AM »

Quote from: pablomarmite on August 07, 2012, 10:25:27 AM

We are entering the era of specialists and the Ecb must do all it can to protect test cricket or the counties will be bankrupt.

But that's my point. Why take away the box office player people really want to see. Him not being there means fewer people will stump up to watch attritional, earnest Test cricket.

Manormanic · « **Reply #33 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:42:39 AM »

Quote from: Alvaro on August 07, 2012, 10:26:29 AM

That was my point - he's a prospect who could be very good. Cook will get 10,000 Test runs, but it's like watching someone butcher a kitten.

Root is considerably better to watch than Cook!

Manormanic · « **Reply #34 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:44:45 AM »

Quote from: pablomarmite on August 07, 2012, 10:25:27 AM

But he doesn't want to be rested he wants to play ipl big bash and whatever other new money laden 2020 competition is started. I think the ECB have no other option because once they allow him to do it then others will follow. Remember would he be the player he is now without England and the Ecb? My guess is no. Would he be worth as much without the opportunities given to him in England? Once again no? We are entering the era of specialists and the Ecb must do all it can to protect test cricket or the counties will be bankrupt. If it means losing the odd player then so be it. Remember he is 31 and until recently his form has been patchy and if he is causing probs in the dressing room well then some may not be too sad to lose him. We all agree he is an outstanding batsman and great to watch but also frustrating when he gives his wicket away. I think he will not renew his central contract, the money on offer for ipl and big bash is simply too great and he has achieved all he needs/wants to for England.

Playing devils advocate here - KP wants to spend some time with his family (so, for example, would have wanted to miss the West Indies ODIs) and yes, wants to make a few quid from the IPL. Lets be fair to him though - we're talking a few MILLION quid, life changing money - and to do so, he'd like to either arrive at the very last minute for or preferably be rested from a series that matters less than zero because the opposition are nowhere close to world class and have already released their two bets players from it. Chance for someone like Joe Root to make a low pressure debut to me...

pablomarmite · « **Reply #35 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:50:17 AM »

In England people watch test cricket because it is attritional earnest cricket and many of those people are prob not big fans of KP and their decision does not rest on whether KP or other big names are playing. Ashes tickets are sold out in advance, you have no idea who is going to be playing. Freddie is gone tickets still sell, England are still a top side the same will the case with KP. With regard your comment about Cook I love watching him bat but then I have never hit a six in my life. Test cricket is the pinnacle and it's not how you score but how many you score. If the kids at my club learnt that then maybe we would win a few more games on a weekend!

Kieron_BT · « **Reply #36 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:54:42 AM »

Can you guys answer me a question and if you had the opportunity of making �2 million for a few months work abroad or being loyal to your country for 1 month out of the year would you be saying no?

I think i know the answer

The thing that gets me is that everyone is getting on KP's back because he isn't liked...

If this was Flintoff/Anderson/Swann etc that was asking the same thing I dare say no one would bat an eyelid or say anything because they are 'liked'

Yet a friend of mine spend the night with the England team in the WI a few years ago and he said that KP was the most friendly, down to earth guy out of the team and it was the likes of Owai Shah and Monty that was the most arrogant and wouldn't give him the time of day.

Its funny what can be potrayed by the media and TV - Don't believe everything you hear...

pablomarmite · « **Reply #37 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:56:55 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on August 07, 2012, 10:44:45 AM

Playing devils advocate here - KP wants to spend some time with his family (so, for example, would have wanted to miss the West Indies ODIs) and yes, wants to make a few quid from the IPL. Lets be fair to him though - we're talking a few MILLION quid, life changing money - and to do so, he'd like to either arrive at the very last minute for or preferably be rested from a series that matters less than zero because the opposition are nowhere close to world class and have already released their two bets players from it. Chance for someone like Joe Root to make a low pressure debut to me...

I am not against kp decision, in fact I agree if it was me at his time of life having had a successful test career, young family then I would say thank you England but I have to put family and earnings first and play ipl and big bash while I am still fit and healthy. The issue is kp wants his cake and eat it. He wants to an England player and play the big money tournaments because being an England player still has kudos and endorsement earnings which he will lose.

Alvaro · « **Reply #38 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:00:25 AM »

I love Test cricket, but you need variety, something that makes it special. Otherwise why not go to a county match?

There's now too much Test cricket in England. It won't be the pinnacle if individuals like KP are shunted out the door by pig-headed bean counters.

Hugh Morris is Nero in this little play.

pablomarmite · « **Reply #39 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:00:54 AM »

Quote from: Kieron_BT on August 07, 2012, 10:54:42 AM

Can you guys answer me a question and if you had the opportunity of making �2 million for a few months work abroad or being loyal to your country for 1 month out of the year would you be saying no?

I think i know the answer

The thing that gets me is that everyone is getting on KP's back because he isn't liked...

If this was Flintoff/Anderson/Swann etc that was asking the same thing I dare say no one would bat an eyelid or say anything because they are 'liked'

Yet a friend of mine spend the night with the England team in the WI a few years ago and he said that KP was the most friendly, down to earth guy out of the team and it was the likes of Owai Shah and Monty that was the most arrogant and wouldn't give him the time of day.

Its funny what can be potrayed by the media and TV - Don't believe everything you hear...

I heard kp texted Irish guys and gave hints and tips during Caribbean wc a few years ago. I like him and would love to spend time with. He could teach me how to hit a six!

Riddy · « **Reply #40 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:12:30 AM »

think KP get all this flak is crap tbh.

Lets be honest, We do play way way way too many ODis (majority are pointless). KP asks to sit out WIndies odi series to have a bit of a break ECB say no. Afterthe schedules the ecb put out to the players, espcially players like KP who has played in all 3 formats for numerous years now, what is so wrong about that! Kallis is missing the ODI series against us, is he getting forced to retire?

In terms of the IPL, ECB need to use their brains. why arrange a test series whilst the IPL is on? oh wait, its cause the ecb want money as well?

KP still does it utmost for England, as seen by his innings on saturday, and his celebration when he reached a 100. shame no one appreciates the cricketing genius he is and the pressure he is always put under. He is the most publiscised england cricketer (you may argue that he has drawn that upon himself) but even still he is a family man now, and he deserves to be cut a little slack. The media have turned him into some sort of monster, when i can guarantee you, if you ask people who have met the REAL kp (not the one prtrayed in the papers) he is a kind honest and funny man.

Lets face it, we need KP, and i for one, will not be as pumped watching us play test cricket with KP not in the side.

Kulli · « **Reply #41 on:** August 07, 2012, 12:06:18 PM »

Quote from: Kieron_BT on August 07, 2012, 10:54:42 AM

Can you guys answer me a question and if you had the opportunity of making �2 million for a few months work abroad or being loyal to your country for 1 month out of the year would you be saying no?

I think i know the answer

it's hardly that simple a choice though is it.

He already probably earns more than all of us
His current job is representing his country in a privileged role
He can still attend parts of the IPL and walk away with the proportionate salery

PedalsMcgrew · « **Reply #42 on:** August 07, 2012, 12:40:11 PM »

Quote from: Kieron_BT on August 07, 2012, 10:54:42 AM

Can you guys answer me a question and if you had the opportunity of making �2 million for a few months work abroad or being loyal to your country for 1 month out of the year would you be saying no?

I think i know the answer

The thing that gets me is that everyone is getting on KP's back because he isn't liked...

If this was Flintoff/Anderson/Swann etc that was asking the same thing I dare say no one would bat an eyelid or say anything because they are 'liked'

Yet a friend of mine spend the night with the England team in the WI a few years ago and he said that KP was the most friendly, down to earth guy out of the team and it was the likes of Owai Shah and Monty that was the most arrogant and wouldn't give him the time of day.

Its funny what can be potrayed by the media and TV - Don't believe everything you hear...

He wouldn't be being disloyal to his country for 1 month out of the year he would be disloyal to his country....full stop...and the same would apply to any other England contracted player who decided he would rather play a hit and giggle competition in the subcontinent. You seem toforget that the England contracted players are comfortably the best paid of any in the world...

And based on your point that we shouldn't believe everything we hear then why should we believe you regarding KP's character? 'A mate said' is just about as tenuous as it gets!!

Kieron_BT · « **Reply #43 on:** August 07, 2012, 12:50:31 PM »

Just because he's paid well doesn't mean he should turn down the oppotunity to earn more for him and his family if he has the chance to do so

and i never mentioned believing what i said, my point was believe nothing until you find out the truth for yourself

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #44 on:** August 07, 2012, 12:52:21 PM »

Ok forget abt KP's persona & money for a minute and think of it like this...

Aussies did this to Symonds and now English are doing this to KP, characters are important for the game, they bring in ppl and make it interesting, dont kill them / run them out of the game because of some silly rules/policies. Rules, Policies are important and required as well to keep order and things organized but sometimes common sense needs to prevail. Guy wants a break from one format then why not? Most other countries let their players rest now, even the Aussies. What if your best test batsman was your worst one day player e.g. Rahul Dravid for short while, would you impose a similar rule? no because they are 2 different formats, so why put T-20 and ODI in the same bucket?

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