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[Colesy]

I thought that but wasn't 100% sure they were.

I can see both points that the bat was specified to how Dave wanted it using a shape he was happy with, but can also see how they are pre-set shapes. But surely even hand crafting batmakers who make custom bats for people will create the same shape over time?

[norbs]

disregarding the fact the shape is very familiar regardless of the size...  but let say for arguments sake you have just started a company and you know that a bat will be reviewed so you maybe think I will choose a cleft whose starting weight will be light and nice grains.... or should a choose a standard cleft and standard grains for this bat... ...

That said the custom bit

I dont see how a predefined shape that has been run through a CNC machine and therefore made before to see if it is doable on the machine is a custom bat, in my view it isn't it is a stock shape.... If you create a completely new shape that wasn't predefined that is custom....  that is something new for you...

[procricket]

Had that many times Andy I have had my bat made in front of me to my exact detail
That was custom.

I had a shape I wanted in my head for my new bat I saw what they offered interns of customisation I had versions choices but it was custom made to what I asked for interns of edge spine and profile so yes it is custom to what I asked for weather it looked like another bat or not.

I see it like a blender mate they customised my bat for what I asked for like you would a smoothie

But if you want something unique they offer a different taste that tast is bespoke and you can tell them what you want in ever detail

90 per cent of all custom made bats are Infact copies as you know of one thing or another
 this bat was based on my laver pb bar the off set edges and I choose it that way

I think all ideas of bats are hybrids.

But they have 3 set models then I call it customisation to the customer then the truly special bespoke the machine can make anything you want it to

And I can assure you the bat is a standard top of the range bat they make


All I know is I the 300 overs or so I have faced using this bats in the nets indoor the bat is great and my new bat I will Elbe using next season

[Buzz]

For me - this looks a wonderful bat and it is good enough to be called a custom bat - you have chosen the weight, shape, cleft, handle shape - the fact that there are a limit to the number of choices you can have is a moot point but if I said I have a custom bat from say Laver and Wood in the Ultra shape - surely that is the same...

now as for the similarities to the hades... humm two differnent hand made versions are below to compare. You decide... personally I think that you have a fabulous looking bat Dave and if you change your mind about it's qualities there will be many willing buyers on here!!

[roco]

So much more goes into one of these than pressing a button the time it takes to program a shape is longer that to make a bat by hand it's just that once its made you can tweak easier than handmade who has to start from scratch again

The tech and effort that goes into one of these is really a lot more than most people think and the kind of accuracy they have is fantastic as you get exactly what you ask for in terms of size and shape as the computer model matches the shape you've asked for to a willow density so they can look for a density of willow around that and match your specs bang on or better then which is pretty good if you ask me and well worth the same as other are charging to just put a sticker on a tk made bat

[roco]

The offset edges make it look same but i did not know that was an exclusive thing to saf unless I'm mistaken nothing against them but if you put a lot of bats on here side by side they will look very similar I think even though there different makes as only so many shapes in world really

[tim2000s]

It all depends on your model really. A Good modeller will parameterise the appropriate dimensions allowing swift modification of the design in order to generate the paths. It takes a huge amount of time out.

[roco]

Yes I agree you can tweak paths on shapes but to design a new shape the designer will start from scratch but as in my programming it gets easier and quicker more you do it is have thought same for pod shavers

[Joe]

To be honest, I think 150 shapes is as many or more than a batmaker will actually make. Most custom bats I have seen are basically one of two stock shapes with bigger edges or thinner edges and then a higher or lower middle. If you look at most the Laver's ordered, they are all either in their traditional shape with a higher or lower middle, the ultra shape with a higher/lower middle or their special shape with bigger/smaller edges and a higher or lower middle.

[norbs]

Had that many times Andy I have had my bat made in front of me to my exact detail
That was custom.

I had a shape I wanted in my head for my new bat I saw what they offered interns of customisation I had versions choices but it was custom made to what I asked for interns of edge spine and profile so yes it is custom to what I asked for weather it looked like another bat or not.

I see it like a blender mate they customised my bat for what I asked for like you would a smoothie

But if you want something unique they offer a different taste that tast is bespoke and you can tell them what you want in ever detail

90 per cent of all custom made bats are Infact copies as you know of one thing or another
 this bat was based on my laver pb bar the off set edges and I choose it that way

I stand corrected then Dave I thought you chose from predefined shapes

[norbs]

The offset edges make it look same but i did not know that was an exclusive thing to saf unless I'm mistaken nothing against them but if you put a lot of bats on here side by side they will look very similar I think even though there different makes as only so many shapes in world really

I'm only taking umbrage slightly on this as you can probably tell.... but I didnt know of any bat before the H.... that looked like it... I gladly stand corrected and as Dave said it wasnt a stock shape from predefined shapes so more of a one off

[roco]

I'm not that well read on it but if you were the first fair enough I can see why you'd take umbrage but if true imitation is sincerest form of flattery

If you were the first maybe should of patented it as seems a great idea

[norbs]

I'm not that well read on it but if you were the first fair enough I can see why you'd take umbrage but if true imitation is sincerest form of flattery

If you were the first maybe should of patented it as seems a great idea

I might not have been the 1st but of all the people out there I wasn't expecting something so similar from these guys, so that is why I'm am slightly annoyed.... I guess I feel let down more then anything

No point in patenting shapes take to much time, money and hard to police...

[roco]

I can see how hard to police as others can just alter shape slightly and claim its different

I suppose this is no different than someone seeing a bat online and asking a maker to copy it as I see makers on copying scoop tour and even jumbo shapes for customers or themselves

I honestly think there are only so many shapes out there so things tend to blend together after a while

[Blazer]

At least they could have given credit where it is due. In the wikipedia article about cricket bats , Andy is credited as developing the offset edge. Sadly not everyone wants to patent. It's a tribute to Andy's batmaking skills and the fact it's not a gimmick but a working theory. Everytime I see Pacman's Hades , I really want one. B3 is quite futurisitic with this idea of customisation and will probably stay as there are few real batmakers . We live in a time and place where we need it there and then and B3 can churn out custom models in no time.