Advertise on CBF

Poll

What level of cricket do you believe you should play? The highest level possible for your standard or enjoying yourself??

The Highest level of your ability
- 54 (47.4%)
Enjoying yourself and your cricket
- 60 (52.6%)

Total Members Voted: 114

Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8 9

Author Topic: Playing at the highest level possible or enjoying yourself at a lower standard  (Read 19296 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

uknsaunders

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 8656
  • Trade Count: (+4)
    • Farmers CC

Nick, from the little you've seen - how did you rate our league??

as you said I haven't seen much of the Division. Based on bit of 2 games and the one I competed in, I would say it's a decent 2s level. Not the highest 2s cricket I've played (TVL3) but certainly better than alot of lower league Wetherby stuff. Then again, I didn't watch or play a game against the top 4 so it could be better than I think (btw - it's good enough for me!). As a league I imagine it's pretty competitive higher up in 2/1/Prem and probably isn't too far off most other leagues. From my limited experience of the Midlands leagues, I played Old Fit Men Moseley who are Mosely Asfield of the Warwickshire CL and looked a decent side. However, bowled ok and scored some runs. Faced a lad from Bourneville of the WCL who was A little sharp as well.

As I wander around the country playing in different leagues I do notice distinct differences. In Yorkshire, it's very much a 2 team club structure and quite often the 2s are there solely to make up the numbers ie. the difference between the 2 teams can be huge. For example East Leeds 2nd XI playing in one of the big leagues in yorks, the Central Yorks League, were hammered by Headingley 2s who play Div 6 Wetherby Village League Cricket. Playing in other leagues like the Sussex Invitation/TVL the difference is far less pronounced as clubs have 3/4/5 teams. Effectively the 2nd XI has greater competition for places and a greater player pool. Quite often the main difference between teams in different leagues is the personnel not the standard.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2012, 12:49:36 PM by uknsaunders »
Logged
email and googletalk: uknsaunders@gmail.com
club website: http://www.farmerscricketjersey.net/

Manormanic

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6752
  • Trade Count: (+1)

Interestingly I've done similar journeys to Nick but in reverse - my formative cricket was in the York Senior & NYSD leagues, then a bit in the Lancashire/Northern Premier before settling in the TVL.

With a few notable exceptions, its true that clubs in Yorkshire don't really have much strength below first XI level - in the York Senior it was only SHB and Woodhouse Grange whose 2's were promoted high enough to play against 1st XIs - and rarely have more than two sides.  I suspect this is partly due to the sheer number of clubs and intense competition between them, together with the fact that that does not leave significant numbers of vacant fields for the 3s/4s etc to play on...

"Dahn Sauth" is a bit different and the differences between sides are pretty negligible (though in the stated TVL there is a big leap between Division One and everything below as the paying ofplayers kicks in) - and clubs tend to be bigger organisations with several teams, often with some pretty intricate politics between them.  Average ages of players also tend to be higher, with less of a push for the 30 somethings to clear places in the ones. 
Logged
"to be the man, you've got to beat the man"

Bruce

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1765
  • Trade Count: (+5)

I have been fortunate enough to go through the leagues in Dorset (same Leagues as Liam-Sccc). Starting in Div 8 and 7 for our second's and filling in for the 1sts in Div 5.
 Then a  year skippering the 2's. Managed to bag 30 wickets, the last being in my 12th (last) over on the last day of the season!
 Then got asked to step down from captaincy, and take the move up to the 1sts. I struggled at first but then stepped up my own training and netting and we have worked our way through from Division 4 to finding our level in Division 2. I can honestly say, they could mix up divisions 2,3 and 4 and you wouldn't tell much difference. The only thing I have noticed in div 2 is that all teams have genuine change bowlers.
Logged
You're only as good as your last knock....

Pitbull

  • First XI Captain
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 268
  • Trade Count: (+2)

From my limited experience of the Midlands leagues, I played Old Fit Men Moseley who are Mosely Asfield of the Warwickshire CL and looked a decent side. However, bowled ok and scored some runs. Faced a lad from Bourneville of the WCL who was A little sharp as well.


Who did you play for in the WCL? I've played for Bronze CC basically my whole life until this year but moved down to play for Cheltenham in the WEPL
Logged

uknsaunders

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 8656
  • Trade Count: (+4)
    • Farmers CC

played a Sunday friendly against them but they had most of their Saturday lads playing. Play with Reds in the Cotswold Hills League.
Logged
email and googletalk: uknsaunders@gmail.com
club website: http://www.farmerscricketjersey.net/

Pitbull

  • First XI Captain
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 268
  • Trade Count: (+2)

Oh right, they're not a bad side, I always do well at their place though, got a 7fer last time I played there haha
Logged

uknsaunders

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 8656
  • Trade Count: (+4)
    • Farmers CC

first deck in a while where timing the ball wasn't an issue  :) . I imagine you are a seamer, can't see the spinners getting much out of it.
Logged
email and googletalk: uknsaunders@gmail.com
club website: http://www.farmerscricketjersey.net/

Pitbull

  • First XI Captain
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 268
  • Trade Count: (+2)

Yeah I'm a seamer. Its one of the nicer places to go and play in the WCL, always have high scoring games there
Logged

ianbuchanan

  • World Cup Winner
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2972
  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Top 5 Innings: 153, 130, 129, 114, 108

Yeah I'm a seamer. Its one of the nicer places to go and play in the WCL, always have high scoring games there

Cheltenham eh? Might be seeing you next year, I play for Minehead.

procricket

  • International Superstar
  • *******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14521
  • Trade Count: (+33)

I have played in the lancshire
Interestingly I've done similar journeys to Nick but in reverse - my formative cricket was in the York Senior & NYSD leagues, then a bit in the Lancashire/Northern Premier before settling in the TVL.

With a few notable exceptions, its true that clubs in Yorkshire don't really have much strength below first XI level - in the York Senior it was only SHB and Woodhouse Grange whose 2's were promoted high enough to play against 1st XIs - and rarely have more than two sides.  I suspect this is partly due to the sheer number of clubs and intense competition between them, together with the fact that that does not leave significant numbers of vacant fields for the 3s/4s etc to play on...

"Dahn Sauth" is a bit different and the differences between sides are pretty negligible (though in the stated TVL there is a big leap between Division One and everything below as the paying ofplayers kicks in) - and clubs tend to be bigger organisations with several teams, often with some pretty intricate politics between them.  Average ages of players also tend to be higher, with less of a push for the 30 somethings to clear places in the ones. 

Who did you play for in the lancashire league mate
Logged
"Doubt whoever but never doubt yourself"

Buzz

  • Administrator
  • International Superstar
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12677
  • Trade Count: (+13)
  • Clear your mind, stay still and watch the ball

worth a read from Martin Crowe, basically reminding players that cricket is every bit an individual sport as a team sport.

Without a dream to chase, the soul stagnates. Without a dream, individual expression stalls as it looks around for an avenue, a release, a path to go down. Dreams are what move us forward; without them we are stuck. That's what I believe.

As the profound American philosopher Henry David Thoreau said in the 19th century: "Do not lose hold of your dreams or aspirations. For if you do, you may still exist but you have ceased to live."

Over the last decade watching cricket in New Zealand I have noticed a change, a massive shift, in the development of our young men, our cricketing soldiers.

The change occurred with the formation of the players association in 2002. While the intention of better this and better that was the war cry, the reality was that each individual who signed up gave up his ability to grow and to blossom into something unique.

Each man became programmed to the collective cause. Each player fell into line, trusting a new way that promised an abundance of riches and protection from all evils. They asked for more resources and more facilities, and they looked away from the greatest tool of all - their own ability to dream big.

When they signed up, they gave away their freedom to express themselves. Their personal dreams became irrelevant. They were squeezed to one side, crushed by the desire to stick with the programme - the conditions, the clauses, the resources, all under the almighty collective.

What we have seen since in New Zealand's game on the field is a mirrored approach, a cloning of ways, a method of asking for more assistance from outside. We see no one individual looking within and in doing so reaching out to new horizons, new frontiers. Most of all, they aren't inspiring the young to dream big either. New Zealand cricket has ceased to live.

My memories of the men I joined as a young tyro are still fresh. These were players who had individual expression and purpose. They belonged to no one; they were free and secure in the knowledge that playing cricket for New Zealand was a badge of honour. Each knew it wouldn't last too long and that the privilege of wearing the blazer was symbolically borrowed and protected. It was worn with immense pride.

Each had a badge of his own: Bruce Edgar was tenacious, John Wright true grit, Jeremy Coney was theatrical, Jeff Crowe silky smooth, John Reid an artist, Andrew Jones unique, Richard Hadlee a genius, Ian Smith a natural, Warren Lees fatherly, Stephen Boock bold, Evan Gray steely, John Bracewell a bully, Ewen Chatfield honest, Lance Cairns resourceful, and Martin Snedden smart and thoughtful. These were men who stood their ground for good long periods. They fought the fight for their country; they played with their hearts and they believed in their dreams.

During a rich period through the 1980s, New Zealand did not lose a Test series at home for over a decade. We didn't always win but we never gave an inch. It was a bunch of individual spirits joining at the hip to throw off all challengers. This was not a group joined by a document. The blazer was a symbol of manning up.

We weren't a "mafia", as Stephen Fleming likes to refer to us. We weren't dysfunctional either. We were simply living that moment, together. It was unwritten.

Today the collective has killed off that natural right to grow and flourish, to dream and reach out. Ross Taylor is the only one I know who wants to be the best in the world, the best batsman in his nation's history. It's a worthy pursuit. The chances are he will get there one day. Without it he stops living as a cricketer.

Young men need to dream big. They need the chase. They need the pursuit. What they don't need is to sit around a lobby. Set them free. Let them live.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2012, 11:33:15 AM by uknsaunders »
Logged
"Bradman didn't used to have any trigger movements or anything like that. He turned batting into a subconscious act" Tony Shillinglaw.

Kulli

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5409
  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Herr Kaleun

Do you have the link, reading it 5 words to a line is melting my brain. Thanks
Logged
They won't catch us this time! Not this time! They haven't spotted us! No, they're all snoring in their bunks! Or, you know what? They're drinking at the bar, celebrating our sinking! Not yet, my friends. Not yet!

Buzz

  • Administrator
  • International Superstar
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12677
  • Trade Count: (+13)
  • Clear your mind, stay still and watch the ball
Logged
"Bradman didn't used to have any trigger movements or anything like that. He turned batting into a subconscious act" Tony Shillinglaw.

uknsaunders

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 8656
  • Trade Count: (+4)
    • Farmers CC

fixed it
Logged
email and googletalk: uknsaunders@gmail.com
club website: http://www.farmerscricketjersey.net/

Kulli

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5409
  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Herr Kaleun

Much appreciated guys.
Logged
They won't catch us this time! Not this time! They haven't spotted us! No, they're all snoring in their bunks! Or, you know what? They're drinking at the bar, celebrating our sinking! Not yet, my friends. Not yet!
Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8 9
 

Advertise on CBF