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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2012, 05:55:10 PM »

Once again, it is important to bear in mind the market that Hammer is targetted at. It is aimed at the North American market where there are no resident brands or batmakers. Equally, I am sure that Jason has done his research and knows what he needs to do to target the cricket equipment buying public in the US. Comparing what he is doing to the UK market isn't really a good comparison, and price arbitrage between the US and the UK isn't a good idea, so prices will remain constant across both.

Being stocked in IJC will help to open up the UK market, especially in the London area, and will save UK punters wishing to purchase Hammer, the shipping costs, which can only be a good thing for those who do.

While the price of the bats is not to my liking, I similarly wouldn't buy a Willostix top end bat, Screaming Cat or Barringtons AJK range, most of which are around the same price or more expensive currently, as I don't want to spend that much on a cricket bat... I'd almost guarantee that most sales of Hammer bats won't go to Forum members either.

While we forum members might like to think of ourselves as the connossieurs of the cricket world, we have a bad habit of being snobs, and the general public, who don't reside on forums like shiny stickers and pretty bats. Because of this, they don't ask every brand who makes their bats, because, they just don't care.

With this in mind, I'd respectfully ask all CBF members to remember that, when we try and give advice to a brand, we don't necessarily know what we are talking about, especially when that brand has made a very clear decision about its marketing and marketplace...
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2012, 05:59:11 PM »

just to confirm that I wasn't giving advice, but commenting as an informed consumer and someone who has experience of the trails of life as an SME.

Maybe I should have added a footnote to that effect. Sorry for any confusion.


Once again, it is important to bear in mind the market that Hammer is targetted at. It is aimed at the North American market where there are no resident brands or batmakers. Equally, I am sure that Jason has done his research and knows what he needs to do to target the cricket equipment buying public in the US. Comparing what he is doing to the UK market isn't really a good comparison, and price arbitrage between the US and the UK isn't a good idea, so prices will remain constant across both.

Being stocked in IJC will help to open up the UK market, especially in the London area, and will save UK punters wishing to purchase Hammer, the shipping costs, which can only be a good thing for those who do.

While the price of the bats is not to my liking, I similarly wouldn't buy a Willostix top end bat, Screaming Cat or Barringtons AJK range, most of which are around the same price or more expensive currently, as I don't want to spend that much on a cricket bat... I'd almost guarantee that most sales of Hammer bats won't go to Forum members either.

While we forum members might like to think of ourselves as the connossieurs of the cricket world, we have a bad habit of being snobs, and the general public, who don't reside on forums like shiny stickers and pretty bats. Because of this, they don't ask every brand who makes their bats, because, they just don't care.

With this in mind, I'd respectfully ask all CBF members to remember that, when we try and give advice to a brand, we don't necessarily know what we are talking about, especially when that brand has made a very clear decision about its marketing and marketplace...
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2012, 06:12:43 PM »

all very good advice and comments...its all appreciated...whilst my cricket store online is targeted very much at the USA / CAN market it will probably shock most people to know that probably 50% of my hammer bat sales if not more are into the AUS market..the majority of my 379 bats go to aus as well...probably an even percentage go to weird places like saudi arabia, denmark, thailand, malaysia and yes, even the UK...i have 1 guy in the UK ive sold about 10 $500 + bats to. ( from all brands ).my hammer brand is targeted worldwide not just the US, in fact most US buyers are very picky and buy primarily on price point, not quality...they will buy whatever or from whoever is the cheapest...( that doesnt work well for my model ):)

itsjustcricket.co.uk has become my UK arm and is focussed primarily on the UK market for hammer cricket..( not to say he doesnt focus on other brands as well )
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2012, 06:23:22 PM »

Jason , Would it not be possible that the U.K made bats to be sent directly to IJC rather than back and forth to cut back on transit and associated charges and thereby bring down the price a bit for the U.K market ?. Does it simply not work that way ?.
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2012, 06:27:49 PM »

I honestly think you'll struggle with the Platinum at £379 whilst you're still establishing yourself. Away from here your average cricketer is a conservative (with a little 'c') bloke and it's going to be hard to get them to part with that kind of money when they can have the pick of most other established brands bats on the shelves of their local store.

The problem is, if we decide to spend that money on a Laver, a Newbery or a H4L we know who is making the bat...and they are still all cheaper...

Its all well and good trying to establish a premium brand but you need to give the customer some incentive along the way...
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2012, 06:45:09 PM »

Here is a little comparison, You can pay a lot of money for top end puma or get a top end RPC for a lot less!!! made by same isn't it?

Now will I buy a Hammer bat? no, atleast not right now because i can't afford it but in future maybe yes...

reason: well if i pay money for a top end GN or Kooka or Puma they might be made in India or UK I don't know, there is no gurantee that it will look and perfrom like a top end bat (top end bats from big brands look like crap nowadays), so if Jason promised me a bat that would look like top of the line and perform like top of the line and made where ever i liked (UK or NZ) then it becomes easier for me to decide where I am going to spend that money...

again am i going to spend that money now? maybe not at this time....
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2012, 06:45:30 PM »

Btw welcome Jason...
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2012, 06:48:40 PM »

I don't mean to sound like a tool again. Me and Jason have no hard feelings after I dropped him an email.

But don't other brands have to pay for the luxury or posting about there bats/softs/equipment on here?

Obviously unless of course Jason has put in for sponsoring the forum, then I stand corrected


Welcome to the forum Jason
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2012, 07:01:33 PM »

Jason

What is your USP? Why should people buy bats at your prices when they can get the same quality for less elsewhere? I hope this comes across as a genuine question, it is  in no way a sly dig.

Regards
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2012, 07:15:00 PM »

Once again, it is important to bear in mind the market that Hammer is targetted at. It is aimed at the North American market where there are no resident brands or batmakers. Equally, I am sure that Jason has done his research and knows what he needs to do to target the cricket equipment buying public in the US. Comparing what he is doing to the UK market isn't really a good comparison, and price arbitrage between the US and the UK isn't a good idea, so prices will remain constant across both.

Being stocked in IJC will help to open up the UK market, especially in the London area, and will save UK punters wishing to purchase Hammer, the shipping costs, which can only be a good thing for those who do.

While the price of the bats is not to my liking, I similarly wouldn't buy a Willostix top end bat, Screaming Cat or Barringtons AJK range, most of which are around the same price or more expensive currently, as I don't want to spend that much on a cricket bat... I'd almost guarantee that most sales of Hammer bats won't go to Forum members either.

While we forum members might like to think of ourselves as the connossieurs of the cricket world, we have a bad habit of being snobs, and the general public, who don't reside on forums like shiny stickers and pretty bats. Because of this, they don't ask every brand who makes their bats, because, they just don't care.

With this in mind, I'd respectfully ask all CBF members to remember that, when we try and give advice to a brand, we don't necessarily know what we are talking about, especially when that brand has made a very clear decision about its marketing and marketplace...

Awesome post, Tim, and thank you for taking the time to write it.  You are absolutely spot on there.  Once again, thanks.

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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2012, 07:32:45 PM »

Ok... Now lets all go out, get a biiiggg stick and flog a dead horse
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2012, 07:43:29 PM »

Well come jason are you getting a page ???? Good rates  ;)
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2012, 08:08:32 PM »

While we forum members might like to think of ourselves as the connossieurs of the cricket world, we have a bad habit of being snobs, and the general public, who don't reside on forums like shiny stickers and pretty bats. Because of this, they don't ask every brand who makes their bats, because, they just don't care.

With this in mind, I'd respectfully ask all CBF members to remember that, when we try and give advice to a brand, we don't necessarily know what we are talking about, especially when that brand has made a very clear decision about its marketing and marketplace...

I completely agree.
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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2012, 08:20:30 PM »

hey guys. i see a bit of  a trend here..there have been a few people saying how expensive hammer bats are...i think thats a bit of a generalization about the brand as a whole..yes the platinums are expensive...but by no means far above and beyond any other brand...i thought i would build up a bit of a list to make my point so as to not sound like im pulling any information out my behind..i just wanted to put things in perspective for people..

platinum…379 right?

cenkos..( whilst it includes a boat load of cool stuff, i know )….1000
GN legend…499
F40…475
GM player edition..474
GN legend in aus…456
slazenger masterclass…….427
puma platinum white in aus….409
GN e41 1200sr ……409
rogue players in aus….406
kookaburra players…..379
Hammer platinum ....379
puma players…369
spartan MC ……368
mongoose super premium…..350
slazenger V12…….317
bradbury players…..289
salix pod players……289

all prices are pounds by the way

so yes. my platinum bat is up there but as you can see by no means more expensive than anyone else..this is the best bat i could bring to market and thats the reason for the price..

for those of you who dont know the prices of my other bats..please check itsjustcricket.co.uk....not all my bats are 379 pounds...and am working on a G2, G3 and G4 offerings for next year as well..so stay tuned...hopefully all will be made in england as well..

Jason, you forgot to mention the M&H Master, as well as the Amplus and Distinction MkI bats - all of which are priced higher than the Platinums at £400+ and also made by, arguably, one of the smaller brands...

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Re: hammer bats, again
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2012, 08:24:24 PM »

Jason, you forgot to mention the M&H Master, as well as the Amplus and Distinction MkI bats - all of which are priced higher than the Platinums at £400+ and also made by, arguably, one of the smaller brands...

Millichamp carries some weight tho ;)
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