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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #195 on: January 23, 2013, 11:49:21 AM »

I agree up to a point Brucie boy but I can't help but think that we haven't seen the best of Dernbach yet. He's got everything, pace, variations, swing etc but he's just not producing it regularly at the moment. Give him a bit of time and I think he'll become one of our very best bowlers in this format. Got to stick with him I think.

As for Samit I get the impression we're picking him for his batting! Fair enough really when you look at how he's done. Shame his bowling is a bit pony!

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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #196 on: January 23, 2013, 12:22:49 PM »

Buttler and Bairstow are much of a muchness with the gloves - which is to say that neither is a whole lot of cop at the moment.  The wicketkeeping slot is a tricky one - either could be given a run in the side in the hope that they will improve on the job - because there are not a lot of other good options.  Prior is probably best left to Tests (though the additional fielder in the circle might well suit his game) and Bedwetter is just not making the grade  Of the remaining county keepers, Davies, Foster, Read and Mustard have been tried and passed over (though Davies seemed a bit hard done by in that decision) and the rest, well, don't inspire confidence.

All fair points but I would say that Kieswetter's problems are with the bat not the gloves.....!  always rated Davies....not sure what he's done wrong ????
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #197 on: January 23, 2013, 12:54:09 PM »

I'd give Davies a go, the lad has never really had a proper chance. If you are going for pure keeping ability then Foster. If you are going for the 'safe' bet then Prior should be recalled and bat at 6/7 or something.

Bell has a lot to prove for me still tbh, as does jade, bresnan, samit, broad.. I like the look of Root, Butler and Bairstow and think they could be the future 4/5/6 so why not let them do it now and give them experience. Still need an opener with Cookie though... huummmm...

Bowling wise, you have swann and tredwell for your 'two' spinners.. with seamers anderson, finn, onions, meaker and Tremlett.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #198 on: January 23, 2013, 01:28:37 PM »

Davies was struggling to get a game for surrey this year and when he didnt it wasnt much of a game.

buttler and bairstow are both good keepers and good with the bat. dont forget they are still pretty young and do need time to develop. i dont see the point in going back to the likes of foster, read, davies etc. look forward.

derbach needs to go. get some decent overs under his belt bowling in the cc and one day stuff. hes too predictable and just isnt cutting it at the moment. we also need to remember that the make up of the side would look a little different if enforced resting of players wasnt happening atm. Anderson, trott and swann all back in. probably no fat sam, tred or bres/dernbach.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #199 on: January 23, 2013, 01:47:22 PM »

seems to me that Davies hasnt been mentioned in or around the squad since he came out Gay.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #200 on: January 23, 2013, 01:51:09 PM »

seems to me that Davies hasnt been mentioned in or around the squad since he came out Gay.
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That's a huge statement mate, I very much doubt it has anything to do with that. He's a solid county keeper, but not good enough for international. Bit like Bairstow, Buttler and CK. Batting yeah, but I am astounded as to why Prior is STILL being left out. Boderline insulting if you ask me
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #201 on: January 23, 2013, 01:56:16 PM »

not insinuating that the ECB re homophobic, merely a coincidence
all these argument about keepers would be over if they just picked Prior, hes our best keeper (apart from maybe Foster) and one of the countries finest batsmen
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #202 on: January 23, 2013, 01:57:57 PM »

Foster is a better keeper, always has been. But as you say, Prior is the best 7 in the world as an all round choice, plus he brings his personality and authority with that, which is a huge plus.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #203 on: January 23, 2013, 02:00:13 PM »

I can only guess they want to keep prior's workload to a complete minimum and prioritise having a world class keeper for test's and jiggle around the bit part keepers for the one day stuff. Looks silly when he travels the world playing t20 competitions worldwide when England have an odi series tho.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #204 on: January 23, 2013, 02:31:29 PM »

Much better game today.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #205 on: January 23, 2013, 02:36:12 PM »

Much better game today.

Nah, ruined by poor umpiring that totally changed the game.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #206 on: January 23, 2013, 02:41:28 PM »

I think poor bowling from you know who let it down.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #207 on: January 23, 2013, 03:04:57 PM »

I think you could say that Dernbach, samit, Keiswetter and possibly Morgan & Bresnan have all been given a fair crack of the whip now and are not performing consistantly. You can drop back in Trott, Bairstow, Broad, Anderson and Swann and things would look a little rosier - however you have to manage these guys workloads, therefor they each need ODi deputies - I'd still like to see more of Woakes, Borthwick, Stockes, Taylor et al to see what they can do.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #208 on: January 23, 2013, 03:07:44 PM »

I think you could say that Dernbach, samit, Keiswetter and possibly Morgan & Bresnan have all been given a fair crack of the whip now and are not performing consistantly. You can drop back in Trott, Bairstow, Broad, Anderson and Swann and things would look a little rosier - however you have to manage these guys workloads, therefor they each need ODi deputies - I'd still like to see more of Woakes, Borthwick, Stockes, Taylor et al to see what they can do.

Completely agree. But we shouldn't be resting them all at once. Alex Hales should be in there opening the batting. Bell at 4/5
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #209 on: January 23, 2013, 03:09:57 PM »

Completely agree. But we shouldn't be resting them all at once. Alex Hales should be in there opening the batting. Bell at 4/5

Yup, Hales and Woakes look to be two who could come in and possibly stay in. Never liked Bell, still don't, I would call him a flat track bully but it seems he can't even manage that anymore!   :D
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