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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #210 on: January 23, 2013, 03:13:52 PM »

We should defo look to manage the work loads of our best players and keep them fit for Test cricket. No 'resting' from Tests.. best 11 all the time for them.

ODI's/T20's I'd like to see Hales, Taylor, Meaker, Butler, Bairstow,Briggs (if he's the best youngster) given a long stint of regular starts etc. Give them a go, might as well lose or play badly doing that than persist with some of the current crop.

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« Reply #211 on: January 23, 2013, 03:15:32 PM »

Nah, ruined by poor umpiring that totally changed the game.

Again. What was it this time?
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #212 on: January 23, 2013, 03:23:01 PM »

Again. What was it this time?

Cook and Sharma both got sawn-off by terrible LBW decisions when they were well set.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #213 on: January 23, 2013, 03:25:17 PM »

Cook and Sharma both god sawn off by terrible LBW decisions where they were well set.

Yep this.. Game changing decisions.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #214 on: January 23, 2013, 11:19:28 PM »

One thing that has annoyed me is the continual comparison between Jadeja and Samit Patel's bowling.

The Sky Sports panel keep saying both are similar bowlers, but I can't see where they are getting this answer from.

Patel is a batsman who can bowl at little. He has little variation. Just left arm darts really.

Jadeja at FC and List A level seems to be a good bowler. Watching him bowl during the ODI series, he's shown he has an excellent arm ball. He spins his stock ball when the conditions suit him as well. Obviously he can also bat.

Right to the point now, is Jadeja being discredited from having better skills with the ball. Or Patel being overrated with the ball?
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #215 on: January 23, 2013, 11:24:45 PM »

One thing that has annoyed me is the continual comparison between Jadeja and Samit Patel's bowling.

The Sky Sports panel keep saying both are similar bowlers, but I can't see where they are getting this answer from.

Patel is a batsman who can bowl at little. He has little variation. Just left arm darts really.

Jadeja at FC and List A level seems to be a good bowler. Watching him bowl during the ODI series, he's shown he has an excellent arm ball. He spins his stock ball when the conditions suit him as well. Obviously he can also bat.

Right to the point now, is Jadeja being discredited from having better skills with the ball. Or Patel being overrated with the ball?

Jadeja is in a different league to Samit IMO, don't think I'd be impressed if I was Jadeja
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #216 on: January 23, 2013, 11:28:15 PM »

Jadeja is in a different league to Samit IMO, don't think I'd be impressed if I was Jadeja
I think Patel's a good batsman. But his fitness doesn't look great.

Jadeja looks an excellent prospect. Could finally end India's search for an all rounder.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #217 on: January 24, 2013, 06:42:55 PM »

When Jadeja first popped up he was terrible, a huge ego and didn't bat or bowl well.

However he seems to have worked hard at First Class level and come back a different player, definitely much better than Samit Patel don't know how you can compare the two.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #218 on: January 27, 2013, 11:34:23 AM »

Has Ian Bell scored runs when it doesn't matter again? 

I'm sure there is a pattern forming here.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #219 on: January 27, 2013, 11:50:25 AM »

He always seems to me to be one more bad score off being dropped and he produces the goods! Although, he hasnt had a horrible tour.
Nice little confidence boost for Morgan there, good knock from him, he's so effortless at times. Just wish he would kick on and break back into the test side!
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #220 on: January 27, 2013, 12:11:28 PM »

When Jadeja first popped up he was terrible, a huge ego and didn't bat or bowl well.

However he seems to have worked hard at First Class level and come back a different player, definitely much better than Samit Patel don't know how you can compare the two.
Getting dropped forced him to fight his way back into the team, he came back much stronger!
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #221 on: January 27, 2013, 12:13:10 PM »

I think Bell is the modern day Hick. 'Should' be a class act as he has the goods to deliver but just doesn't consistently which is required. I personally feel it's time to look elsewhere. As for Patel or Jadeja arguement.. I think currently I'd take Jadeja as he's a better all rounder than Patel. Patel can bat, of that I have no doubt but his bowling isn't as 'good' as Jadeja, even though Jadeja  isn't that good either at bowling really (arm ball seems to be something the English are pretty bad at for some reason).

Only players from India I'd take is Dhoni and probably Kohli.. Even though he's a walking Ego and although super talented just sums up what I think is wrong with Indian Cricket.
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #222 on: January 27, 2013, 06:44:22 PM »

Can't believe Belly is getting stick for scroing an unbeaten hundred in a winning cause.  So because it was a dead rubber rather than a 'live' game in the series his innings doesn't count?  The 2 'big guns' in Cook and Pietersen both failed in a 'non pressure' game but they can turn it on in the big games so that makes them better players?  If everyone performed in the big games and not in these non pressure games then we would still be losing lots of games.

I know he has had plenty of opportunties and maybe struggled at times early in his career but he still averages more in ODIs than Collingwood, Gilchrist, Dilshan, Sehwag, Gibbs and Jayawardene so he must be doing something right.

Since he came back into the team he has averaged over 55 with a strike rate of 80, so are we not happy with those numbers?
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #223 on: January 27, 2013, 06:50:27 PM »

The thing is you are remembered for winning world cups and ashes not dead rubbers. I think that took his series average up from 27 to 58, He saves the day again
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Re: England Vs India T20 and ODI
« Reply #224 on: January 27, 2013, 06:57:13 PM »

So what is he supposed to do, give his wicket away and put his feet up because it's not a so called 'big game'?
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