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Andypara

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To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« on: December 31, 2012, 04:55:56 PM »


should we apply anti scuff sheets to our bats back many years ago there never had scuff sheets on bats
what are the pros and cons of Appling a scuff sheet to out bats
i just dont think that with a scuff sheet on that the bat grains dont open as they should due to the sheet which possible hinders the performance out the bat.

What do you guys think ?
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2012, 04:59:49 PM »

Knock it in first then.

Grains do not open up.

The surface gets harder creates a veneer a natural laminate.

Knock it in first then scuff it makes bats last longer.

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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2012, 06:17:58 PM »

I almost always scuff every bat I get nowadays. I think that scuffing doesn't really take much performance away from bats at all, if any! The problem is that it does add half an ounce to the weight roughly, although this is hardly noticeable. I think that the pros do highly outweigh the cons, as it's much easier to maintain, without the need to oil and sand after every couple of uses, and there is noticeably less cracking as well.

I think bats from before anti-scuff sheets were pressed harder, and possibly had a higher moisture content, so didn't break as easily! Also, I find that the heavier the bat, the less prone it is to damage!

Knock it in first then.

Grains do not open up.

The surface gets harder creates a veneer a natural laminate.

Knock it in first then scuff it makes bats last longer.



I'm not too sure about this, as I tend to scuff first then knock in. I'll only knock in a natural faced bat after oiling, which softens the surface of the wood, while if you scuff it, it maintains a slightly harder surface. May very well work better though, and worth trying! I do oil the bat before I put on a scuff-sheet at times anyways if the bat looks in need of a drink! I think that scuff-sheets were made to hold the bat surface together for longer, so that they peak slightly later, but last longer as well. Grains opening up is a sign that a bat is at the best, but I think some bats are at their best even before the grains have opened!

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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2012, 06:26:05 PM »

I remember playing with someone who'd use the bat for a half a season with out a scuff so the bat had opened up with lots of surface cracks, he'd then clean it up and put a scuff sheet on it.

Thinking about it his bats always seemed to go well.
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2012, 06:27:03 PM »

I think these days the people who don't apply anti-scuff sheets do so mainly for cosmetic reasons.  One of our customers asked about us scuffing up his V12 after knocking it in, and I actually advised him against it as I felt it would ruin the retro look of the bat.  Others just prefer to be able to see those grains as clearly as possible.  Having said this, the quality of anti-scuff sheets is improving, and there are plenty of very clear ones on the market now too.  Also, for practical reasons they make a lot of sense, so what I said about the V12 was a bit of a one-off!

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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 06:33:23 PM »

Grains opening this is complete tosh mate.

Sorry but grains do not open.

Grains play no part in a bats performance it the crust effect.

A vineer above the soft wood under when surface cracks appear it means the vineer is at it peak hence delaminstion one the vineer becomes detached from the soft wood producing a hollow sound the thing gap between.

All knocking in is compress create the vinear a natural laminate
The pie crust theory but grains do not open up if your referring to your bat playing better but grains do not open bud or is it a figure of speak I hear millichamp apparently says grains open
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2012, 06:45:09 PM »

I always thought that a bat 'opening up' was a phrase. The grains do not literally move unless the user has Gandalf like abilities surely?

Scuff sheets just seal the face and protect the bat a little don't they? I can't see them affecting performance a huge amount or they would be made illegal
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 06:47:24 PM »

I just use them to prolong life never caused me any dramas

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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2012, 06:49:10 PM »

I have no idea if they affect performance tbh. All I know if that they keep it looking 'nice' for longer and are supposed to prolong a bats life.
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2012, 07:01:17 PM »

I've never heard of 'scuffing' a bat.

Tony at Warsop always advised against a scuff sheet. His preaching is that his blades should show surface cracks (and my numerous Warsops have all done this). With a scuff sheet on, surely this precludes that and as such could retract.

I'm not interested in longevity. Cricket bats are cheap compared to guitars and hand-wired amps (my other love), so I accept a new one every other season (at least).

I'm getting a new H4L on Friday and will ask Matt to just tape the edges. Hopefully the face will 'fall-off' as my Warsops did.

So, my conclusion (drawn out I know), is that scuff sheets are cosmetic.

I'm all for my bats' gong 'commando'
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2012, 07:03:07 PM »

I'm only looking for my bats to last one season. Yes I want them to still be good for the person who inherits it after that but I'm only really interested in it's immediate performance.
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2012, 07:05:08 PM »

I've never heard of 'scuffing' a bat.

Tony at Warsop always advised against a scuff sheet. His preaching is that his blades should show surface cracks (and my numerous Warsops have all done this). With a scuff sheet on, surely this precludes that and as such could retract.

I'm not interested in longevity. Cricket bats are cheap compared to guitars and hand-wired amps (my other love), so I accept a new one every other season (at least).

I'm getting a new H4L on Friday and will ask Matt to just tape the edges. Hopefully the face will 'fall-off' as my Warsops did.

So, my conclusion (drawn out I know), is that scuff sheets are cosmetic.

I'm all for my bats' gong 'commando'

When I say "scuffing up" or "scuffing" read: "apply an anti-scuff sheet to a bat!" Sorry for the misunderstanding!

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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2012, 07:07:32 PM »

I don't my old laver averaged nearly a 1000 runs a season so I scuffed and looked after it best I could.

My theory if you find a special bat use and use till it literally is in 2 pieces then use glue..

My old laver with great pressing and a great looking after nearly served my 5000 runs although many are bought to replace if you find the special bat look after it any way you can

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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2012, 08:56:32 PM »

I always use scuff, it saves on oiling and also provides additional protection.
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Re: To Anti scuff sheet or not to scuff sheet
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2012, 10:51:11 PM »

If you're going to spend upwards of $600 on a top of the range bat (that would be around £350-400), you want to make sure it's going to last, so I always apply a scuff sheet to my bats. Especially being an opening bat and facing the new ball, anything that will help prevent damage such as surface/edge cracking early in the bat's life is important. I know of guys who take the scuff off after that initial breaking in period, I just keep it on for the duration and take it down to my local cricket specialist for a new sheet if it's getting a little worn.
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