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[The_Bird]

I think cook would still be class in t20's for England. He is one of the few to have a T20 hundred to his name.

Same goes for Amla, what a player he is turning into. A genuine world class player now

[ProCricketer1982]

I think this would be my world 11 currently
 KP, Cook, Amla, ABdV, Prior, Clarke, Sangakkara with Swann, Steyn, Morkal, Anderson


Can't believe I can't find a spot for the majestic Kallis, in form Faf or Steven Finn

[joeylough]

Id make one chafe abvd for kallis

[procricket]

I think this would be my world 11 currently
 KP, Cook, Amla, ABdV, Prior, Clarke, Sangakkara with Swann, Steyn, Morkal, Anderson


Can't believe I can't find a spot for the majestic Kallis, in form Faf or Steven Finn

Finn needs to become a England regular before even considering him on any work eleven

[potzy248]

yeah, not a good time to be a Kiwi supporter. Do we have any Kiwi's on the forum to let us know why their game isn't getting many quality players coming through??

Tough to admit Im a Kiwi at the moment.
The Ross Taylor fiasco didn't help. And with Jesse Ryder Holding the country to ransom we simply don't have the talent at the moment. That, coupled with NZ players focusing on T20 and the $$$.
On a side note our batsman rarely/if ever face the talent of these bowlers. Our domestic scene is no way to blood test match batsman.
When Taylor comes back, and hopefully Ryder we will have a couple of world class players again. Fingers crossed.

[Vitas Cricket]

Until the England series, i'm a firm Kiwi supporter, i want you guys to be as strong as possible, so the England boys can face a decent challenge before a tough year of Aussie bashing!

[potzy248]

Until the England series, i'm a firm Kiwi supporter, i want you guys to be as strong as possible, so the England boys can face a decent challenge before a tough year of Aussie bashing!

So you're the other supporter.

[joeylough]

Well this is one watching. Anyone else think that they will struggle to get 300 in total.

[Alvaro]

Tough to admit Im a Kiwi at the moment.
The Ross Taylor fiasco didn't help. And with Jesse Ryder Holding the country to ransom we simply don't have the talent at the moment. That, coupled with NZ players focusing on T20 and the $$$.
On a side note our batsman rarely/if ever face the talent of these bowlers. Our domestic scene is no way to blood test match batsman.
When Taylor comes back, and hopefully Ryder we will have a couple of world class players again. Fingers crossed.

So you blame the players over the board?

[potzy248]

So you blame the players over the board?

Yes and No.
The way they handled the Taylor incident was terrible (The board, Coach, Selectors). Very unprofessional and crap for Taylor and the team.
I put none of the blame on Taylor. Ryder is just doing what ever the hell he wants and doesn't give the team a second thought IMO.
As far as blaming the players, well lack of talent and skill cannot excuse all out for 47. No heart was shown.
And as I said lack of quality bowlers in the domestic scene makes the step up to SA's pace attack very very difficult.

[alba caerulea]

Unfortunately when you have the shallow depth of talent NZ have you cannot afford to not have your best players in the team - simple as that

The board/coach need to show some man management skills and swallow some pride and get Taylor and Ryder back in the side ASAP because without them NZ are fast becoming a laughing stock

Also McCullum to me is not a Test match top 4 player. I know he is batting there partly out of necessity but there is no future in it and he should be at 6 for me. Although it might not make much difference at present!

[ProCricketer1982]

Ok so I'm just watching my recorded day 3 of the SA vs NZ test.. Just watched J.Patel get cleaned up, now don't get me wrong I'm sure most/all of us here would retreat to square leg when faced with Steyn BUT this guy is a pro cricketer!!! What he did for 3 balls was nothing less than embarrassing. Fair enough nicking off, or even getting done bowled/LBW due to lack of technique but to be running around the crease.. The guy needs sacking from the NZ set up and Pro cricket.

I'm speechless. That is just... wow

On the flip side, McCullum is no opener but he's shown really good fight and so has Watling.

[The_Bird]

He did the same thing in the first test, I think it's easy to say he should be doing better. Most mortals would prefer to face Steyn from the pavilion so he is getting closer to the ball than most.

[ProCricketer1982]

He did the same thing in the first test, I think it's easy to say he should be doing better. Most mortals would prefer to face Steyn from the pavilion so he is getting closer to the ball than most.

He's a pro though, surely we all expect better of them?? If it were us then jesus, to right i'm off for a quick chat with the umpire at square leg every ball in the hope he takes pitty on me and bowls me.

[The_Bird]

I think it shows the level of fight in that NZ side at the moment, the way he trudged off showed how low the morale level in that team is.