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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2013, 02:25:35 PM »

since he doesn't move around much at the moment, I'd go with back foot across for cutting to drill it in for the specific shot. Make him rehearse a few times. Longer term a slight trigger might help, maybe slight back and across but I'd work on the obvious stuff first.
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2013, 02:28:04 PM »

That's not a trigger then, its pre-empting where the ball will be :) But if thats the way you woul coach him then thats entirely up to you. It takes all sorts, and there'd be no flair, individuality or winning teams if we were all the same.
It's very easy to pre-empt against a bowling machine but he's after opinions on regular faults and in my opinion his back foot needs to do more prior to hitting the ball which in turn should stop the front foot planting. Can't see what that's got to do with flair, individuality or winning teams though!
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2013, 02:29:41 PM »

since he doesn't move around much at the moment, I'd go with back foot across for cutting to drill it in for the specific shot. Make him rehearse a few times. Longer term a slight trigger might help, maybe slight back and across but I'd work on the obvious stuff first.
Exactly  :)
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2013, 02:42:42 PM »

Exactly  :)

What would you hope to achieve with it though? What happens when he wants to get on the front foot? How far across, and how far back would you want him to go? When would you want him to move? Before (how much before?) During (probably not, but timing is seriously important). And what would you do when everything is focussed on the trigger movement and he forgets how to hit the ball? Are you doing it to get into a better position just to play off the back foot, or are you doiing it to get into a better position to play any shot, because a back foot trigger to work on the cut shot with that stance and he'll be almost like Chanderpaul...... stuff getting bowled arounfd his legs, quick inswing full delivery will bowl him through his legs. Far more elementary things to work on before the thought that a trigger move might even slightly benefit him would even cross my mind!
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2013, 02:47:15 PM »

What would you hope to achieve with it though? What happens when he wants to get on the front foot? How far across, and how far back would you want him to go? When would you want him to move? Before (how much before?) During (probably not, but timing is seriously important). And what would you do when everything is focussed on the trigger movement and he forgets how to hit the ball? Are you doing it to get into a better position just to play off the back foot, or are you doiing it to get into a better position to play any shot, because a back foot trigger to work on the cut shot with that stance and he'll be almost like Chanderpaul...... stuff getting bowled arounfd his legs, quick inswing full delivery will bowl him through his legs. Far more elementary things to work on before the thought that a trigger move might even slightly benefit him would even cross my mind!

Exactly :)
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2013, 03:00:01 PM »

If you fancy a net session this week i'll come down to you for a few hours for sure as i've got not alot on and could use the practise
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2013, 03:04:43 PM »

What would you hope to achieve with it though? What happens when he wants to get on the front foot? How far across, and how far back would you want him to go? When would you want him to move? Before (how much before?) During (probably not, but timing is seriously important). And what would you do when everything is focussed on the trigger movement and he forgets how to hit the ball? Are you doing it to get into a better position just to play off the back foot, or are you doiing it to get into a better position to play any shot, because a back foot trigger to work on the cut shot with that stance and he'll be almost like Chanderpaul...... stuff getting bowled arounfd his legs, quick inswing full delivery will bowl him through his legs. Far more elementary things to work on before the thought that a trigger move might even slightly benefit him would even cross my mind!

Think your making a lot more of this than need be. Lets see what ProCricketer1982 makes of the advise.
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2013, 03:08:23 PM »

Not sure about your credentials Optical, but I'll go with Nick's....him being a coach an all.... ;)
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2013, 03:12:15 PM »

these pics may help a little








I actually think that having a one and a half grip set up may help a little to soften the impact of the bottom hand a bit like in the below....



Thanks for posting these Buzz, they were helpful :)
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2013, 03:16:26 PM »

no problem

as for the trigger - just don't bother, for the standard you are playing, i agree with Nick - you will overcomplicate your batting - just stand still!!
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2013, 03:24:52 PM »

Not sure about your credentials Optical, but I'll go with Nick's....him being a coach an all.... ;)
Yeah and his 2000 posts to my 11!

I've read back through the posts in this thread just to make sure I hadn't missed anything as when I first posted I was agreeing with Nick and his 'get back and across' advice on page 2, but now seems to be saying the opposite. [shrugs shoulders]
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2013, 03:34:03 PM »

As soon as you mention 'Trigger' on here you're going to get some static! It's not popular amongst the coachy types!  ;) I'm just thankful it seems to be something the knowledgeable guys feel I can forget about!
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2013, 03:42:46 PM »

As soon as you mention 'Trigger' on here you're going to get some static! It's not popular amongst the coachy types!  ;) I'm just thankful it seems to be something the knowledgeable guys feel I can forget about!

Fair enough I won't mention the T word again!
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2013, 05:17:48 PM »

Think your making a lot more of this than need be. Lets see what ProCricketer1982 makes of the advise.

Sorry buddy, I think I came across a bit harsh. You're bang on with the getting weight across and into the shot, I just think we may disagree on the trigger movement which is fine by me :) as I've said every player would be just as good if we all coached the same, and where's the fun in that?
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Re: Opinions on any regular faults wanted
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2013, 06:24:44 PM »

speeds at 65 for the cuts and back foot, drives were on 70. I'll do some sessions on 70/75 then and see what the videos show. See if I can get those feet moving them :)
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