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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2013, 10:54:54 PM »

Cook
Compton
Trott
KP
Bell
Root
Prior
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Tremlett
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2013, 10:56:55 PM »

Jury's out on Broad it would seem?

Does anyone know what Bells ave is against the Aussies?
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2013, 10:57:53 PM »

So you accept he will be playing in all 5 Tests then?

I have no doubt he will as he's regarded as a regular but I thought this was a discussion on who we would have and reasoning. Obviously only if you agree with people.sorry my fault. I feel England have better options for now and the future than Bell so I said it. Just because a couple of you don't agree you feel the need to state your superior views are worth more etc etc.

You believe what you want, I'll place my bet and we can see if A) he plays and b) if he averages <25. I hope as an England fan if he plays then I want him to do well.

I'll only post back slapping agreement from now on, don't want to disagree with you 'experts'.
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2013, 10:58:59 PM »

Jury's out on Broad it would seem?

Does anyone know what Bells ave is against the Aussies?

32 career average vs Oz

44 in Oz

20 in England
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2013, 11:02:39 PM »

Fascinating - so he's poo in england against the Aussies, and thats where the first half of the series is!

I have no doubt he will play a big part, and I hope he does well - however, I'm not sure he'll make it through all 10 tests!
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2013, 11:06:54 PM »

Jury's out on Broad it would seem?

Does anyone know what Bells ave is against the Aussies?

Form is everything with Broad, at his best very very good but so inconsistent. Needs a good few months now, England will keep faith with him as that is the current way of the management

Not as high against others but I'm not sure you can drop someone because of their record against one team. Could set a very dodgy precedent for the future. His figures would be down due to the sherminator series but this Australian attack is far from that standard. I'd keep the faith, the grass isn't always greener

I have no doubt he will as he's regarded as a regular but I thought this was a discussion on who we would have and reasoning. Obviously only if you agree with people.sorry my fault. I feel England have better options for now and the future than Bell so I said it. Just because a couple of you don't agree you feel the need to state your superior views are worth more etc etc.

You believe what you want, I'll place my bet and we can see if A) he plays and b) if he averages <25. I hope as an England fan if he plays then I want him to do well.

I'll only post back slapping agreement from now on, don't want to disagree with you 'experts'.

No need to throw your toys out of your pram, if you are going to post opinions on a forum prepare to be questioned. Nothing personal I just don't agree with your view of Ian Bell  :(
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2013, 06:15:34 AM »

AUS squad i would pick
Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Watson
Wade
O'Keefe
Johnson/Bird
Starc
Siddle
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2013, 09:25:04 AM »

Bell will play - and he *probably* will do so on merit.  I think that most people would accept that he is someone who has been given quite good treatment by the selectors over the years, overlooking the amount of time it took him to progress from someone who scored the easy runs well to a batsman who was capable of shaping games.  I think if we were talking about another series on the sub continent then we might consider his place, but when playing against a pace heavy attack in English conditions he is pretty much a safe bet.

I think the biggest questions really are over the sixth batting slot, third seamer and, just possibly, the balance of the side.  Handling those questions in order:

I think its pretty clear that Cook, Trott, Root, Pietersen and Bell will start the series - the remaining question is, assuming that there is not a move toward five bowlers, whether Nick Compton takes the last slot (with Root coming in at six) or whether Jonny Bairstow comes back into the equation.  Personally, I think that JB showed more in the South Africa game than Compton did in India, and he is the younger, more generally talented and long term option.  I also think that Root is wasted at six.

The third seamer is tough - Finn and Anderson will share the new ball and Bresnan, much as the selectors want the bowler who was so good in the Ashes back, will take a long time to regain full fitness if the matter is handled properly.  I suspect if he is fit that Stuart "I saw Andy Flower kissing Santa Claus" Broad will come back in, but I wonder whether a fit again Tremlett or Bunny Onions (whose accuracy would be of great value against a raw top order prone to nicking off) would come back into it.
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2013, 09:32:32 AM »

I think Meaker is a bolter for the first Test.
Especially if he gets wickets for Slurrey.

I think that Root will open if Compton fails in NZ. Though lets see what happens when the ball bounces higher than shin height first.
Otherwise, I agree that no. 6 is a potential problem - Bairstow isn't ready in my opinion.
I expect Broad maybe injured.
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2013, 09:53:47 AM »

The thing is, Meaker doesn't get wickets for Surrey and never really has.  He's a bit short of the finished article at this stage I'd say.

As for Bairstow - if he isn't ready, how do you explain his performances against South Africa?
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2013, 10:01:14 AM »

Bell will play - and he *probably* will do so on merit.  I think that most people would accept that he is someone who has been given quite good treatment by the selectors over the years, overlooking the amount of time it took him to progress from someone who scored the easy runs well to a batsman who was capable of shaping games.  I think if we were talking about another series on the sub continent then we might consider his place, but when playing against a pace heavy attack in English conditions he is pretty much a safe bet.

I think the biggest questions really are over the sixth batting slot, third seamer and, just possibly, the balance of the side.  Handling those questions in order:

I think its pretty clear that Cook, Trott, Root, Pietersen and Bell will start the series - the remaining question is, assuming that there is not a move toward five bowlers, whether Nick Compton takes the last slot (with Root coming in at six) or whether Jonny Bairstow comes back into the equation.  Personally, I think that JB showed more in the South Africa game than Compton did in India, and he is the younger, more generally talented and long term option.  I also think that Root is wasted at six.

The third seamer is tough - Finn and Anderson will share the new ball and Bresnan, much as the selectors want the bowler who was so good in the Ashes back, will take a long time to regain full fitness if the matter is handled properly.  I suspect if he is fit that Stuart "I saw Andy Flower kissing Santa Claus" Broad will come back in, but I wonder whether a fit again Tremlett or Bunny Onions (whose accuracy would be of great value against a raw top order prone to nicking off) would come back into it.

Totally agree, Root has to open! Considering how well he's done at an unfamiliar position and game situations, imagine how well he can do with Cook.

However, I'm not sure they will even pick Root for Tests. Compton seems to be favoured at the moment, and unless he scores no runs in NZ then I reckon he'll be picked to open with Cook, Root maybe having the 6 spot.
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2013, 10:20:26 AM »

Does anyone think that, given a strong start to the season Tremlett might feature? He seems to be a forgotten man due to his injuries but, at his best, I still think he would be there or thereabouts.....if he starts the season strongly he'd have to be considered...

I think the line up will be

Cook
Compton
Trott
KP
Bell
Root
Prior
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson

But that team pretty much picks itself doesn't it....!
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2013, 10:23:01 AM »

Not entirely - as noted above I don't think Compton is anything like a shoe in.  You might be right about Tremlett though - I think fully fit he remains a bowler England would very much like to have in their side.
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2013, 10:26:37 AM »

I think Compton has done enough so far (and in his county career) to suggest that he will make a good fist of the opening position. Obviously we'll see what happens in NZ though. I think Southee will be a decent test for him (I rate Southee) so if he comes through that then I think he's nailed on for the openers slot for the first test......

Alternatively Root to open and Bairstow at 6? OR maybe Ravi???  :D :D :D
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Re: Ashes X1
« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2013, 10:28:01 AM »

Root and JB would be my preference.

Compton needs a big series in New Zealand for me.
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