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Re: RRP?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 11:26:40 AM »

If a product is a simple commodity it is hard for any retailer to add value to that process.

However, if there is any requirement for advice, fitting, or anything else tangible then a retailer has an opportunity to add value how they see fit.

It is the skill of the retailer to suggest ways of adding value and developing a product/service which is not available in the sterile environment of a browser.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 11:31:34 AM »

I think there are a lot of things to consider.
First off, there are some brilliant bespoke makers on this site, and I don't think they could be classed as selling 'out of a car boot.'
Some of these guys offer a high level of involvement, from selecting the cleft and input during the making process etc. This can obviously be important in respect of pick up, shape, and finished, fully dressed weight. Obviously this is most effective if it is done during a visit to the maker's premises. And under these circumstances there is no excuse for you walking out of the door with a bat that is not exactly as you specified, as you have been part of the process.
I will admit that I haven't been part of such a process - maybe my day will come.
There is also the option of more remote involvement - giving the maker your specs and trusting to his judgement to produce exactly what you want. From what I gather, quite a few makers will contact buyers during the process with updates in respect of how the bat is coming along. Maybe with questions like: 'How important is the finished weight to you? The way this cleft is going I might not be able to give you the spine height and edge size that you requested at the weight you want. If you do want me to lose some weight, where do you prefer me to take it from?'
I have seen guys on this site post pics of some very good looking bats, but with the rider: 'I asked for weight X and what arrived was weight Y.'
It could have been that the bat was the stated weight 'undressed' but I would have thought that this would have been discussed before the bat was made.
In the case of the retailer, and ignoring his overheads for running premises, holding a good level of stock etc. What you get when you visit, is the opportunity to pick up and test a number of bats, before either selecting one or not bothering to buy anything. That opportunity in itself has value and is surely worth paying for.
What I'm trying to say is that everyone brings something to the party.
Obviously you wouldn't expect the same level of service at say Sports Direct, as you would from any of the retail guys on this site. But you cut your cloth accordingly.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 12:06:59 PM »

Please also remember that the retailer has to add 20% VAT to all their prices which has a hugh impact on profit margins - i.e. on a £200 bat the prices broken down could be...

bat actual cost:
£60 - cleft, handle grip.
£10 stickers (yes stickers are very expensive - but do sell the bat)
£45 profit for bat maker (to cover investment, their costs, tools/press/time/workshop)
£45 to shop (rent, staff costs, National Insurance, bills, tea and buscuits)
£40 vat

that is a lot of bats you have to sell before you can even pay yourself a wage.
Is it really 60GBP for the cleft though if you are buying from a willow supplier in decent quantity which I assume all full time batmakers do?
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Re: RRP?
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2013, 12:10:40 PM »

I have a land rover so dont really have a boot to sell from more of gate type thing :D

Got to go now because I assume I have someone there banging the door down looking to stock bats  ;)

PS Tush you're off topic ;)

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2013, 12:12:55 PM »

I have a land rover so dont really have a boot to sell from more of gate type thing :D

Got to go now because I assume I have someone there banging the door down looking to stock bats  ;)

PS Tush you're off topic ;)

Maybe a little bit but I think when it comes to prices and since we are discussing what constitutes that price I am kinda justified to ask, aren't I? regardless like many other things in cricket industry standardization would be ideal but we keep dreaming & hoping....
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2013, 12:17:43 PM »

Maybe a little bit but I think when it comes to prices and since we are discussing what constitutes that price I am kinda justified to ask, aren't I?

Ok fair enough

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2013, 12:19:16 PM »

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Re: RRP?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2013, 12:32:24 PM »

Please also remember that the retailer has to add 20% VAT to all their prices which has a hugh impact on profit margins - i.e. on a £200 bat the prices broken down could be...

bat actual cost:
£60 - cleft, handle grip.
£10 stickers (yes stickers are very expensive - but do sell the bat)
£45 profit for bat maker (to cover investment, their costs, tools/press/time/workshop)
£45 to shop (rent, staff costs, National Insurance, bills, tea and buscuits)
£40 vat

that is a lot of bats you have to sell before you can even pay yourself a wage.


The profit for the shop must be more than 22.5%; after all, Paul was able to run a 30% off list price promotion and, given he was quite amenable to buying stock in for the purpose, cannot have been making a loss on that figure...
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Re: RRP?
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2013, 12:37:08 PM »

In which case my rough numbers aren't all that great - maybe the cleft and handle can be a little cheaper... I should have disclaimed my estimates!!
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2013, 12:40:05 PM »

In which case my rough numbers aren't all that great - maybe the cleft and handle can be a little cheaper... I should have disclaimed my estimates!!

I understand they are estimates but I have seen that number before as well for the cost of cleft...I guess if someone is buying a handled and pressed cleft then that price is closer...
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2013, 12:46:17 PM »

At  the end of the day 99.9% of retailers are in it to make a really good wage. Not just 15/20k a year but they are looking for a lot more. Plus ideally they will want someone else to run it and then they can get a wage for doing nothing. As long as people realise that is most of their aims you have to assume all pricing is inflated.

Of course, the real trick is either accepting this and paying or finding a retailer who actually is selling to make a living rather than make really good money etc.
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Re: RRP?
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2013, 12:49:43 PM »

Dont demonize the Retailer, the bat companies need them as well to increase awareness and there overall footfall

It is give and take this scenario

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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2013, 12:52:23 PM »

I'm not. I'm purely saying people can't expect rock bottom prices as retailers have to make it worth while to be there. Plus, seeing as most do it as their business they want to make a 'good' wage rather than just a living wage (so 30k+ rather than 20k ish).

I don't blame them in the slightest, if people are willing to pay then why not. Like I said, the trick for the consumer is to find the retailer that gives them products they want, at prices they want.
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Re: RRP?
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2013, 12:52:46 PM »

I understand they are estimates but I have seen that number before as well for the cost of cleft...I guess if someone is buying a handled and pressed cleft then that price is closer...

depending on the source of the cleft and the grading that £60 is pretty spot on really when your considering the handle, grip and binding as well within that cost. thats for the regular bat makers who buy in bulk. for the smaller ones your probably adding on atleast £20-25 minimum to that cost.

when you factor in the time (4 hours or so from a handled cleft), set up costs (initial outlay for willow, stickers, workshop/machinery/tools/general costs etc) and additional materials (glue, sandpaper etc) there really isnt much in it for alot of bat makers.
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Re: RRP?
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2013, 12:53:40 PM »

I think that a lot of retailers would suggest that the only way to make a small fortune from selling cricket gear is to start off with a large fortune...
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