Topic: Why cant India produce world class fast bowlers ? (Read 16498 times)

kouservice · « **on:** February 18, 2013, 02:15:33 PM »

The question always comes across every Indian cricket fan .
This was a analysis of Michael holding of why Indian bowlers are not fast enough,
" There is nothing wrong with their technique. If you don�t take care of what you are eating, then you are bound to lose your strength.�

Also there are few crictics who say that Indians dont have meat in their diet, so they dont get the proper nutrients.
Just to point out that the Australian , peter siddle is a vegetarian and the list goes on if you consider fitness.

My view, Its about diet and also will to bowl fast. Its not necessary to eat meat, but we need to substitute it with supplements and that is where we lack. I have known a lot of sports persons in india, they dont care about their nutrition needs and boost of eating anything and still healthy

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So what are your Views on this issue.

trypewriter · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:27:59 PM »

First, you need the ability to bowl fast - you are quick or you aren't.
Second, you need to be interested in bowling fast - ie, interested in cricket, though on the sub continent I'd tend to expect this to be a given.

Buzz · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:31:00 PM »

it always seems strange to me that Pakistan has a heritage of fast bowling and India doesn't.
Going to be harder now as who wants to be a fast bowler in the IPL and get smashed all over the park on dead tracks.

actually tracks with life in them is a big issue...

tussy17 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:40:14 PM »

The lack of pace bowlers there is just down to the conditions more than anything. There just is no reward out there
for bowling express pace and so you might as well use subtle changes of pace and seam movement to get the reward

Karan62 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:49:32 PM »

I think in India there is no incentive to be a fast bowler, batsman get paid a lot more and thats what indians see cricket as, a means with which to escape whatever cycle of poverty they are in , Many indians have had to live viciously hard lives and this gives them probably one of the best work ethics to succeed in the world, but they dont work towards the correct stuff, they have a lack of opportunities and a lack of a structured coaching infrastructure, the conditions dont help either, favouring spin and swing and going against express pace. and bearing with a comment made in the op actually indian bowling actions leak a lot of pace and are more geared towards acccuracy and swing than pace. Indians I think are also genetically weaker as it is a trend I have seen among their athletes, and between indians and people of caucasian and negro backgrounds who do similiar exercise

Pakistan develop so many fast bowlers due to the legacy of the likes of shoaib akhtar , tendulkar serves this purpose for india

One thing I work for is to disprove the myth that Indians cant be fast bowlers, I want to smash that myth up , I'm going to be the first indian over 100 mph.

Karan62 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:59:02 PM »

http://www.cricketaakash.com/blog/?p=742

this just about sums it up

yvk3103 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2013, 03:21:59 PM »

Need a lot of motivation and backing from the selectors, captain and coaching staff. With the amount of home games India plays, its just slog like a donkey for fast bowlers. By the time they go overseas their moral and confidence is down. In favouring conditions during overseas series, when the fast bowlers get wickets they want to bowl on, they overwork themselves (bowling outside their strength areas) just try and generate pace to impress the selectors.

Not sure if the selection committee has ever had a decent fast bowler in the committee.

Think now is not too late for the cricketing body to rethink their game plan - we don't even have batsmen who can bat 2 days to save a test. (Now we realize the value of Dravid and VVS).

The more relevant question would have been "Why can't India produce world class bowlers?"

Even the spin bowlers are shameful. Eng spinners could take wickets in Tests in India, but not Indian bowlers.

Hope India does not get down to the stage where they have 5 specialist batsmen and 5 batting all rounders - we could see 3 innings ins a test match.

kouservice · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:28:53 PM »

Quote from: Karan62 on February 18, 2013, 02:49:32 PM

I think in India there is no incentive to be a fast bowler, batsman get paid a lot more and thats what indians see cricket as, a means with which to escape whatever cycle of poverty they are in , Many indians have had to live viciously hard lives and this gives them probably one of the best work ethics to succeed in the world, but they dont work towards the correct stuff, they have a lack of opportunities and a lack of a structured coaching infrastructure, the conditions dont help either, favouring spin and swing and going against express pace. and bearing with a comment made in the op actually indian bowling actions leak a lot of pace and are more geared towards acccuracy and swing than pace. Indians I think are also genetically weaker as it is a trend I have seen among their athletes, and between indians and people of caucasian and negro backgrounds who do similiar exercise

Pakistan develop so many fast bowlers due to the legacy of the likes of shoaib akhtar , tendulkar serves this purpose for india

One thing I work for is to disprove the myth that Indians cant be fast bowlers, I want to smash that myth up , I'm going to be the first indian over 100 mph.

Do you think Pakistan has better economic condition. I think there far more in economic turbulence, so the issue of condition and economic stability is out of question.

For how many years we will only say Tendulkar, kumble ...etc We can count on fingers.

Come on I would love to see an Indian smash that myth.....

kouservice · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:33:13 PM »

Quote from: tussy17 on February 18, 2013, 02:40:14 PM

The lack of pace bowlers there is just down to the conditions more than anything. There just is no reward out there
for bowling express pace and so you might as well use subtle changes of pace and seam movement to get the reward

But that is the case in International cricket, bowling is always considered second. Did you forget the recent match where Ajmal (vs India) took 5 wickets in a one day but MOM was a batsman. How many times have you seen a bowler MOM, very few times.

kouservice · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:36:23 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on February 18, 2013, 02:31:00 PM

it always seems strange to me that Pakistan has a heritage of fast bowling and India doesn't.
Going to be harder now as who wants to be a fast bowler in the IPL and get smashed all over the park on dead tracks.

actually tracks with life in them is a big issue...

I would partially agree with you that we need good tracks that can help fast bowlers, but again the same question remains. Do pakistan have these bouncy tracks , NO. Still they produce fast bowlers. I can further say that we can take it to our advantage, the pitch dosent help so we need to do extra...

tim2000s · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:39:44 PM »

You might want to look at these two pages. They seem to contradict our argument...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/253774.html -from 2006
http://www.itsonlycricket.com/cricket/answers/question.php?qid=630 - from 2010

kouservice · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:50:09 PM »

Quote from: tim2000s on February 18, 2013, 04:39:44 PM

You might want to look at these two pages. They seem to contradict our argument...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/253774.html -from 2006
http://www.itsonlycricket.com/cricket/answers/question.php?qid=630 - from 2010

Great

... I never new of these statistics. Nice piece of information.
But still if you see the Onedays, most of them are Batsman.

tim2000s · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2013, 06:58:08 PM »

All that goes to show is that the less important form of the game, batsmen have more impact than bowlers, which from what I've watched anecdotally, doesn't surprise me.

kouservice · « **Reply #13 on:** February 18, 2013, 09:01:08 PM »

Quote from: tim2000s on February 18, 2013, 06:58:08 PM

All that goes to show is that the less important form of the game, batsmen have more impact than bowlers, which from what I've watched anecdotally, doesn't surprise me.

True...

Blazer · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2013, 09:45:48 PM »

Back in the day when Mohammed Sami was playing , Waqar Younis or Ramiz Raja was commentating on the reason why he was quick . The tape ball or tennis ball cricket prevalent in Pakistan needs a quick arm action to gather any pace and this quicker arm action when using a cricket ball translates to even more speed . Furthermore there was a similar explanation to how Malinga's action evolved on cricinfo . He used to play tennis ball cricket by the beach and learned over time that a sideways slingy release was more useful to generate pace against the breeze from the sea than the classical release . He was also an excellent swimmer infact the best in his village which aided him to develop strong musculature suitable to cope with his slingy and potentially injury causing action.

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