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[tussy17]

How come he has retired from tests then (malinga)?

[ProCricketer1982]

How come he has retired from tests then (malinga)?

Save the body I believe.

[Blazer]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/467602.html

[Jagminder]

Indians I think are also genetically weaker .........................

Disagreed - Punjabis and Pakistanis have same gene pool Sir. Diet can be one thing as we being Vegan/ Vegetarian by religion.
 

[MD2812]

Pitches has been briefly covered but look at the Indian 1st class cricket stats for triple
Hundreds. There was 2 in one day!!!
My friend text me and I couldn't believe it.

Who would want to be a fast bowler on those pitches?

Batsman get the large pool of aspiring crickets, then what would an Indian child
Rather be? Spin bowler or pace?

Is height an issue? The Indians aren't the tallest of chaps
are they?

Would be interesting
If you asked 500 Indian children how many would be a) a batsman b) a spinner c) a bowler

Then did the same over here, or Oz or SA.

Jimmy is praised in UK, Steyn in South Africa. Not many pace idols from India

[m.lalli]

Disagreed - Punjabis and Pakistanis have same gene pool Sir. Diet can be one thing as we being Vegan/ Vegetarian by religion.

Totally agree with you Jagminder. If India want to produce fast bowlers they ought to be scouting in Punjab.
Jai Punjabia de.

[kouservice]

Back in the day when Mohammed Sami was playing , Waqar Younis or Ramiz Raja was commentating on the reason why he was quick . The tape ball or tennis ball cricket prevalent in Pakistan needs a quick arm action to gather any pace and this quicker arm action when using a cricket ball translates to even more speed . Furthermore there was a similar explanation to how Malinga's action evolved on cricinfo . He used to play tennis ball cricket by the beach and learned over time that a sideways slingy release was more useful to generate pace against the breeze from the sea than the classical release . He was also an excellent swimmer infact the best in his village which aided him to develop strong musculature suitable to cope with his slingy and potentially injury causing action.

 Then what you would say about the Australians and SouthAfricans ?? They dont use tape ball, but still the quickest..

[kouservice]

Totally agree with you Jagminder. If India want to produce fast bowlers they ought to be scouting in Punjab.
Jai Punjabia de.

 Its not about scouting in a specific region, we need proper guidance on nutrition,fitness and some motivation to ball fast. Its a misconception that vegetarians dont get all the nutrients...
 When I was a kid, I used to always hear stories of Gavaskar palying a drive, vishwanth late cut, Azaruddin flick........ but never heard of a bowler bowling a leg cutter, reverse swing....- Most of the times I heard stories of the fearsome 5 of the WI.

[Karan62]

Then what you would say about the Australians and SouthAfricans ?? They dont use tape ball, but still the quickest..

conditions in sa and australia are suited towards fast bowlers so it is rewardin bowlin fast on pitches over there

[tussy17]

That's why England will never consistently produce world class spin bowlers. We are fortunate in having Swann and Panesar but I don't see a great queue behind them. The conditions are just not conducive to the spinning ball so we have had to rely on our spinners being accurate and changing pace to get wickets. Things are changing in regards to our young spinners getting more exposure to subcontinental conditions and hopefully we will see more talent come through.

[nikunjind]

I would like to put forward another angle and this is the culture of India and the way the cricketers are treated and worshiped like no other country. The biggest problem with Indian cricketers is that they simple do not have the time to practice and properly develop as cricketers..as firstly they play too much cricket (i think the most ODI's anyway) plus many of the national cricketers have to play for there government teams like Air India, Indian Oil (which is nothing but a corporate event! Also if you look at the test team, odi team and 2020 team the nucleus of players is generally the same...For example if you look at Dhoni he looks physically and mentally jaded not just him many of the indian cricketers this is not only due to playing cricket but also the below reasons. 

What I mean by culture is that Indian Cricketers (the top contracted players) have so many distractions apart from playing Cricket, such as shooting tons of commercials, attending TV SHows, Bollywood events...so when do they practice or thrive to improve? The answer is they are too mentally tired to do this and once all this is over (events, commercials shows) they just want to rest.

In which other country do you see cricketers on pretty much every TV Channel appearing in commercials or some TV show or another?

Until these cultural changes are made (do not think it is possible) Indian cricket will never sustain world dominannce like Australia in the 2000s and WI in the 70s, 80s..they will always produce ridiculously talented cricketers but until these things are changed things will not improve.

Of course pitches do not help..but Pakistan pitches are very flat too and I can't see them having the most controlled diets..

 

[kouservice]

I would like to put forward another angle and this is the culture of India and the way the cricketers are treated and worshiped like no other country. The biggest problem with Indian cricketers is that they simple do not have the time to practice and properly develop as cricketers..as firstly they play too much cricket (i think the most ODI's anyway) plus many of the national cricketers have to play for there government teams like Air India, Indian Oil (which is nothing but a corporate event! Also if you look at the test team, odi team and 2020 team the nucleus of players is generally the same...For example if you look at Dhoni he looks physically and mentally jaded not just him many of the indian cricketers this is not only due to playing cricket but also the below reasons. 

What I mean by culture is that Indian Cricketers (the top contracted players) have so many distractions apart from playing Cricket, such as shooting tons of commercials, attending TV SHows, Bollywood events...so when do they practice or thrive to improve? The answer is they are too mentally tired to do this and once all this is over (events, commercials shows) they just want to rest.

In which other country do you see cricketers on pretty much every TV Channel appearing in commercials or some TV show or another?

Until these cultural changes are made (do not think it is possible) Indian cricket will never sustain world dominannce like Australia in the 2000s and WI in the 70s, 80s..they will always produce ridiculously talented cricketers but until these things are changed things will not improve.

Of course pitches do not help..but Pakistan pitches are very flat too and I can't see them having the most controlled diets..

All the perks and bonuses start when you become a star cricketer. So distration is only when you go to the top. But grooming of a player start's way early.

[nikunjind]

Yes you are right in that aspect..but I do not think Grooming the players early is an issue at all as look at Ishant Sharma before the IPL 1 started... just after the tour of Australia he was being billed as the best young bowler around and I would agree to some degree as he made the Australia batsmen look average esp Pointing...however once he came back home he got numerous deals for TV commercials, appearances on chat shows.. and got snapped up by KKR for a silly 1.3million dollars (around that figure) after a couple of good outings in TEST Cricket...

Also same good be said for Sreesanth these days all he does is dance more then he bowls and to be honest is a wasted talent as even Alan Donald said whilst at Warwickshire that Sreesanth has a special talent but only is he focused more he would be a world class bowler!

[kouservice]

Yes you are right in that aspect..but I do not think Grooming the players early is an issue at all as look at Ishant Sharma before the IPL 1 started... just after the tour of Australia he was being billed as the best young bowler around and I would agree to some degree as he made the Australia batsmen look average esp Pointing...however once he came back home he got numerous deals for TV commercials, appearances on chat shows.. and got snapped up by KKR for a silly 1.3million dollars (around that figure) after a couple of good outings in TEST Cricket...

Also same good be said for Sreesanth these days all he does is dance more then he bowls and to be honest is a wasted talent as even Alan Donald said whilst at Warwickshire that Sreesanth has a special talent but only is he focused more he would be a world class bowler!

I agree with you on this. We have lot of upcomming talents but they indulge in uneccessary activities and ruin their skills.  But why does this not apply for batsman ?? They too do the same, but we have really good batsman.

[tussy17]

I think Indians simply prefer the glamour of batting with people like Yuvraj and Laxman who appear somewhat sloth like are admired adoringly, while guys like srinath, khan and current seamers who slog their guts out always seem to cop the flack when India don't perform.
 IPL and t20 in general is adored out there simply because they prefer the ball flying out the park compared to a skillful spell of seam or spin bowling.