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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #135 on: February 26, 2013, 08:40:50 AM »
Parthiv was about three in the 90s.
8 wickets is a fair win, given that the pitch was approaching a minefield.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #136 on: February 26, 2013, 08:42:43 AM »
I think 8 wickets is pretty comprehensive and perhaps flatters the Aussies a bit. Batting first on that they needed to pile on 500 and then apply scoreboard pressure. There first innings total was only made respectable by Clarke and Henriques. Real worries over the top 4 (is Watson a number 4 anyway?) and how they are going to build in an extra spinner.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #137 on: February 26, 2013, 09:33:27 AM »
Quote from: Binsy on February 26, 2013, 08:42:43 AM
and how they are going to build in an extra spinner.

you are credibiting Lyon as a spinner?
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #138 on: February 26, 2013, 09:38:04 AM »
In case you missed Sachin's batting today
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #139 on: February 26, 2013, 09:42:25 AM »
Well lets see.....Henriques scored runs and Patto took wickets, so going by the scientific calculations the energy expended in the middle to achieve those results makes them a 97% chance of breaking down at training this week, therefore they will be given the break off and the next test match.

This will pave the way for some stupendous selections. The "Big Show" will get his test cap (pretty sure he picked the winning raffle tickets in Bombay last night) and replace Henriques in the team as the allrounder. Then Patto will be replaced by Doherty, for no decent reason other than he puts a few revs on the ball in the air, so on a dusty minefield he is a chance of bagging a few wickets. Lyon will be retained as he "shows promise" and bowls very well for a young guy learning his trade (learning it playing for Australia). Meanwhile, Khawaja, who is young, has talent and great technique, keeps warming the bench, for as much apparent reason as everyone else GETS a game for Australia. :)
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #140 on: February 26, 2013, 09:53:07 AM »
Quote from: Alvaro on February 26, 2013, 08:40:50 AM
Parthiv was about three in the 90s.
8 wickets is a fair win, given that the pitch was approaching a minefield.

Sorry my bad I stand corrected ...early part of last decade !!  :)
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #141 on: February 26, 2013, 09:56:57 AM »
Quote from: Jenko on February 26, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
Well lets see.....Henriques scored runs and Patto took wickets, so going by the scientific calculations the energy expended in the middle to achieve those results makes them a 97% chance of breaking down at training this week, therefore they will be given the break off and the next test match.

This will pave the way for some stupendous selections. The "Big Show" will get his test cap (pretty sure he picked the winning raffle tickets in Bombay last night) and replace Henriques in the team as the allrounder. Then Patto will be replaced by Doherty, for no decent reason other than he puts a few revs on the ball in the air, so on a dusty minefield he is a chance of bagging a few wickets. Lyon will be retained as he "shows promise" and bowls very well for a young guy learning his trade (learning it playing for Australia). Meanwhile, Khawaja, who is young, has talent and great technique, keeps warming the bench, for as much apparent reason as everyone else GETS a game for Australia. :)

Is Maxwell rated at all in Australia? In England, all we know of him is that he was playing club cricket here last year and Hampshire picked him up as a bit of a biffer for their T20 campaign. Next think you know, he's claiming a £1m sign up for the IPL and Warne is proclaiming him as the saviour of Aussie cricket. To me, he looks like he may have found his level at club cricket...
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #142 on: February 26, 2013, 10:03:19 AM »
Quote from: Binsy on February 26, 2013, 09:56:57 AM
Is Maxwell rated at all in Australia? In England, all we know of him is that he was playing club cricket here last year and Hampshire picked him up as a bit of a biffer for their T20 campaign. Next think you know, he's claiming a £1m sign up for the IPL and Warne is proclaiming him as the saviour of Aussie cricket. To me, he looks like he may have found his level at club cricket...

I think he is right up there with Cameron White....a dirty hack :) which isn't a good thing. Can't stand him and can't stand blokes who bignote themselves and cant back it up game after game
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #143 on: February 26, 2013, 11:31:03 AM »
Only the second time in Australia's Test history that all 20 wickets fell to spinners.

The only other time was that Jim Laker match.

Now on to Australia's woes.

Poor old Lyon is being slated for not imposing himself to the Indians but his confidence has been harmed by the inept wicket keeping of Wade. During their home summer Lyon had plenty of chances shelled by Wade. The Indians sensed that Lyon was down on confidence and took him apart. Unsurprisingly Wade also shelled a couple of chances of Lyon's bowling in Madras as well...

A Test match keeper primary job is to catch the ball. Wade has shown his keeping is below average. His harming his bowlers morale. Pick a keeper that can catch rather than one that can slog 100.

Secondly I don't understand how Steve O'Keefe, averaging 27 in FC cricket, isn't in the squad. He's the best spinner in Australia by a long distance.

I think for the second Test, Australia should go with the following line up:

1. Watson
2. Warner
3. Hughes
4. Clarke
5. Smith/Maxwell
6. Henriques
7. Wade(as there's no other keeper should be Tim Paine)
8. Johnson
9. Pattinson
10. Lyon
11. Doherty

Depending on how dusty the pitch at Hyderabad is, in the last Test there Ashwin took 12 wickets, then it's a toss up between Smith and Maxwell. Smith's bowling, whilst not great, offers Clarke something different. Maxwell would bat at 7. But his FC bowling record is decent. His in your face attitude would get in the Indians faces.

Pattinson got amongst the Indians with pace, so Siddle and Starc who where non threatening are replaced by Johnson for more aggression.

Doherty to partner Lyon to try and create more pressure.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #144 on: February 26, 2013, 11:50:12 AM »
I read a post like that and think of how English cricket was in the 90's.

This Stewart vs Jack Russel
any number of different bowling combo's
Tuffers' confidence
and a mixed batting line up - with the saviour being Chris Lewis as the alrounder or something.

Anyone who grew up watching cricket post the Duncan Fletcher era don't know how lucky you are.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #145 on: February 26, 2013, 11:57:29 AM »
Quote from: Gerry SA on February 26, 2013, 11:31:03 AM
Only the second time in Australia's Test history that all 20 wickets fell to spinners.

The only other time was that Jim Laker match.

Now on to Australia's woes.

Poor old Lyon is being slated for not imposing himself to the Indians but his confidence has been harmed by the inept wicket keeping of Wade. During their home summer Lyon had plenty of chances shelled by Wade. The Indians sensed that Lyon was down on confidence and took him apart. Unsurprisingly Wade also shelled a couple of chances of Lyon's bowling in Madras as well...

A Test match keeper primary job is to catch the ball. Wade has shown his keeping is below average. His harming his bowlers morale. Pick a keeper that can catch rather than one that can slog 100.

Secondly I don't understand how Steve O'Keefe, averaging 27 in FC cricket, isn't in the squad. He's the best spinner in Australia by a long distance.

I think for the second Test, Australia should go with the following line up:

1. Watson
2. Warner
3. Hughes
4. Clarke
5. Smith/Maxwell
6. Henriques
7. Wade(as there's no other keeper should be Tim Paine)
8. Johnson
9. Pattinson
10. Lyon
11. Doherty

Depending on how dusty the pitch at Hyderabad is, in the last Test there Ashwin took 12 wickets, then it's a toss up between Smith and Maxwell. Smith's bowling, whilst not great, offers Clarke something different. Maxwell would bat at 7. But his FC bowling record is decent. His in your face attitude would get in the Indians faces.

Pattinson got amongst the Indians with pace, so Siddle and Starc who where non threatening are replaced by Johnson for more aggression.

Doherty to partner Lyon to try and create more pressure.

they won't be dropping cowan I suspect, more likely Phil Hughes but I doubt that as well. You don't need more than 3 seamers in India so just add another spinner.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #146 on: February 26, 2013, 12:02:05 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on February 26, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
I read a post like that and think of how English cricket was in the 90's.

This Stewart vs Jack Russel
any number of different bowling combo's
Tuffers' confidence
and a mixed batting line up - with the saviour being Chris Lewis as the alrounder or something.

Anyone who grew up watching cricket post the Duncan Fletcher era don't know how lucky you are.
Can Hick play the Short Ball? Is Athers fit enough? Who should play at number 3? Do we need to play Pattinson at Headingley, really? SHould we have Richard Illingworth, Ian Salisbury or Peter Such as our first/second spinner? I remember it well...
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #147 on: February 26, 2013, 12:02:16 PM »
I think Lyon has more to worry about with his bowling than Wade... When a "spin" bowler can't turn a ball on a wicket like that and the opposition spinner, who is average at best, cleans up with sharp turning balls and gets balls to jump up off a good length then he needs to take a look at himself.. Lyon bowled poorly and that is that... When Dhoni took to him he dropped his bundle.. When he needed to use flight he speared it in short and fast and became predictable.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #148 on: February 26, 2013, 01:37:13 PM »
Quote from: tim2000s on February 26, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
Can Hick play the Short Ball? Is Athers fit enough? Who should play at number 3? Do we need to play Pattinson at Headingley, really? SHould we have Richard Illingworth, Ian Salisbury or Peter Such as our first/second spinner? I remember it well...

Can Devon Malcolm see?

Who bats at eleven? Tufnell, Dev, Such or Mullaly?

Bonkers
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #149 on: February 26, 2013, 01:46:53 PM »
Quote from: Number4 on February 26, 2013, 12:02:16 PM
I think Lyon has more to worry about with his bowling than Wade... When a "spin" bowler can't turn a ball on a wicket like that and the opposition spinner, who is average at best, cleans up with sharp turning balls and gets balls to jump up off a good length then he needs to take a look at himself.. Lyon bowled poorly and that is that... When Dhoni took to him he dropped his bundle.. When he needed to use flight he speared it in short and fast and became predictable.

Nathan Lyon really did come into international cricket from nowhere and doesn't really have any real stats to back up his selection. The Aussie critics seem to big him up but he has yet to deliver in Tests and his 4th innings bowling record is abysmal.
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