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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2013, 03:26:18 PM »

I agree with you there mate regarding Bell. Class batsmen but I think the time has come to blood a couple of new boys in the NZ series before back to back Ashes
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2013, 03:30:49 PM »

indeed - he can always come back if needed.
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2013, 03:35:22 PM »

Just wish Broad would bugger off now...I just don't see what he brings anymore. Good knock against Pakistan, decent little session against the Aussies in 2009, but he doesn't exactly shine game in/game out.

Problem is, who's played enough cricket to replace him? Onions is probably the best bet, unless I am missing someone obvious.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 03:36:02 PM »

Merely playing Devil's advocate here - I understand the need to find out about 'new' players and whether they can hack it, but do we drop a triple-ashes winning player with 80-odd tests and all the experience that brings in Bell for Bairstow, Root or Compton?  With back-to-back ashes series coming up?  With that logic, why not rest Trott or KP?

Root looks every inch the test player and I'd open him with Cook for NZ and (barring a shocking series or two) the Ashes.  I just can't see the logic in dropping a better player (at the moment) than all three simply to find out more about another player.  You pick your best players, of which Bell is clearly one, and if there isn't a space for other great players, tough.  I didn't see Australia dropping any of their players for Lehmann or Law...  It's tough on Compton, who isn't a bad player, but there seem better in Root and Bairstow.  Part of me thinks Compton deserves a shout in more familiar conditions, but he surely has to be the most at risk?  Bell's done enough over the past 3 years to warrant being picked.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 03:38:06 PM »

I think Onions would tear NZ apart in NZ and at home, but the management love Broad's bounce.  Every selection decision has to be made with the Ashes home and away in mind...
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 03:49:40 PM »

Root looks every inch the test player and I'd open him with Cook for NZ and (barring a shocking series or two) the Ashes.  I just can't see the logic in dropping a better player (at the moment) than all three simply to find out more about another player. 

Bell, you claim has done enough over the last three years to warrant being picked.

Do you even watch cricket?

He had a reasonable 2011, but in the last 12 months he has failed repeatedly and repetitively without showing the slightest understanding of what is wrong with his game or of what he needs to do to rectify the issues.  He looks adrift against spin, and his mental game, always one of the weakest in international cricket, has descended to new and embarassing lows such as that shocking first ball slog in India.  Scyld Berry's point in suggesting he be dropepd is that England cannot, and never will be able to, properly rely upon him in a test match.  So try the players who you definitely can (and Root and Bairstow have proven this) or at least might be able to (Compton) succeed where he has let himself down.
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2013, 04:23:28 PM »

Looks to me he will get his pick on what he wants and will be going around the warehouse/workshop in the near future.
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2013, 04:30:46 PM »

And thanks to my mystic powers you guys heard it here first;

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=21359.msg343304#msg343304

You just didn't beleive me!
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2013, 04:50:34 PM »

Ahh, I kind of beat you so it on that one!

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=21197.0
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2013, 04:53:53 PM »

Bell, you claim has done enough over the last three years to warrant being picked.

Do you even watch cricket?

He had a reasonable 2011, but in the last 12 months he has failed repeatedly and repetitively without showing the slightest understanding of what is wrong with his game or of what he needs to do to rectify the issues.  He looks adrift against spin, and his mental game, always one of the weakest in international cricket, has descended to new and embarassing lows such as that shocking first ball slog in India.  Scyld Berry's point in suggesting he be dropepd is that England cannot, and never will be able to, properly rely upon him in a test match.  So try the players who you definitely can (and Root and Bairstow have proven this) or at least might be able to (Compton) succeed where he has let himself down.

I watch a little bit, yeah, though clearly not as much as you do.  However, if I may?

Reasonable 2011?  Similar to saying KP's knock vs SA last summer was 'ok...' Bell wasn't the only one at sea against Ajmal - of which there is only one - and I don't see a NZ debutant or Lyon worrying any of the England players, least of all Bell who many ex-pros (and the current management) feel is one of the best players of spin England have.

I take your point re; mental approach - I majored in Sports Psychology in elite players at Uni - to a point.  But to talk about fine margins in sport - he clears mid off and he's 'turned a corner,' or 'dominating from the off.'  One shot does not a mental disintegration make.  It was indeed, most likely, a result of his experiences with Ajmal, where he went totally into his shell.  Therefore, he'sadapting his approach and looking to rectify his previous mistakes...  What about the ton in the last test?  Trott gets applauded for his mental strength and ability, yet Bell gets ignored.  I genuinely feel that the old perceptions get rolled out every time he has an average series, or innings. 

The beauty of cricket - or any sport at elite level - is that you cannot say, 100%, that any individual player is guaranteed to save a test match, or score a goal, or make a putt - Berry's point is mute, because there aren't any players' you can rely on at, say, 50-4 with a day to go to save a game.  Bell isn't guaranteed to do so, but he has in the recent past 'saved' games against SA in SA, Australia at home and India in the last series.  You suggest that Bairstow and Root DEFINITELY can.  After 2-3 test matches?  Are they more likely to than Bell?  I would pick Bell, at the present time, over Compton, Bairstow, Morgan, Bopara, Taylor and any other emerging player.

It's a game of opinions mate, the beauty is that no one person is right or wrong...


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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2013, 05:23:05 PM »

I watch a little bit, yeah, though clearly not as much as you do.  However, if I may?

Reasonable 2011?  Similar to saying KP's knock vs SA last summer was 'ok...' Bell wasn't the only one at sea against Ajmal - of which there is only one - and I don't see a NZ debutant or Lyon worrying any of the England players, least of all Bell who many ex-pros (and the current management) feel is one of the best players of spin England have.

I take your point re; mental approach - I majored in Sports Psychology in elite players at Uni - to a point.  But to talk about fine margins in sport - he clears mid off and he's 'turned a corner,' or 'dominating from the off.'  One shot does not a mental disintegration make.  It was indeed, most likely, a result of his experiences with Ajmal, where he went totally into his shell.  Therefore, he'sadapting his approach and looking to rectify his previous mistakes...  What about the ton in the last test?  Trott gets applauded for his mental strength and ability, yet Bell gets ignored.  I genuinely feel that the old perceptions get rolled out every time he has an average series, or innings. 

The beauty of cricket - or any sport at elite level - is that you cannot say, 100%, that any individual player is guaranteed to save a test match, or score a goal, or make a putt - Berry's point is mute, because there aren't any players' you can rely on at, say, 50-4 with a day to go to save a game.  Bell isn't guaranteed to do so, but he has in the recent past 'saved' games against SA in SA, Australia at home and India in the last series.  You suggest that Bairstow and Root DEFINITELY can.  After 2-3 test matches?  Are they more likely to than Bell?  I would pick Bell, at the present time, over Compton, Bairstow, Morgan, Bopara, Taylor and any other emerging player.

It's a game of opinions mate, the beauty is that no one person is right or wrong...

Well said, Ian Bell is a class player with a decent average, he is in my opinion one of England's top 3 batsmen. Root is doing an excellent job in the 1 day at present but honestly at this moment in time England's test top 6 does not need to change.

The only place that should be open is the 3rd seamer number 8 or 9 position as Stuart Broad is just not a test match player at the moment, and im not sure he will be until he goes back to county cricket, gets over his injuries and stops thinking he is gods gift to cricket.
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2013, 05:31:09 PM »

I've Said it before and I'll say it again, anybody who thinks Ian Bell shouldn't be in the test team for this summers Ashes is clueless!!!
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2013, 05:31:55 PM »

yes well said  :)
Bell is class and has not let England down

Stuart Broad? baffling how he get's in the side.There's no point playing an allrounder if he can't bat.move Prior to 6 and play a Onions/a another.....
that's 5 batsmen,5 bowlers and Prior as the allrounder...
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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2013, 06:51:37 PM »

Ahh, I kind of beat you so it on that one!

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=21197.0


I'll grudgingly give you that one!
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2013, 07:04:29 PM »

I've Said it before and I'll say it again, anybody who thinks Ian Bell shouldn't be in the test team for this summers Ashes is clueless!!!
You're free to discuss that with Scyld Berry, Gideon Haigh, Mike Atherton and all the others who have expressed their doubts if you'd like...
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