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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2013, 07:07:56 PM »

You're free to discuss that with Scyld Berry, Gideon Haigh, Mike Atherton and all the others who have expressed their doubts if you'd like...

More than happy to! If Ian Bell shouldn't be in the team then neither should Trott or Pietersen
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2013, 07:13:31 PM »

Reasonable 2011?  Similar to saying KP's knock vs SA last summer was 'ok...' Bell wasn't the only one at sea against Ajmal - of which there is only one - and I don't see a NZ debutant or Lyon worrying any of the England players, least of all Bell who many ex-pros (and the current management) feel is one of the best players of spin England have.

Yes, a reasonable 2011.  I know you can only beat whats put in front of you but the Sri Lankan, Indian and Aussie attacks that he scored runs off (as usual, immediately after someone else had done the same) were hardly stellar.  The South African attack that KP butchered, on the other hand - well, I'd love to se Bell bat like that against anyone, let alone an attack for the ages.

I take your point re; mental approach - I majored in Sports Psychology in elite players at Uni - to a point.  But to talk about fine margins in sport - he clears mid off and he's 'turned a corner,' or 'dominating from the off.'  One shot does not a mental disintegration make.  It was indeed, most likely, a result of his experiences with Ajmal, where he went totally into his shell.  Therefore, he'sadapting his approach and looking to rectify his previous mistakes...  What about the ton in the last test?  Trott gets applauded for his mental strength and ability, yet Bell gets ignored.  I genuinely feel that the old perceptions get rolled out every time he has an average series, or innings. 

Flintoff did a very similar thing against Shane Warne in the Edgbaston test 2005  when in hopeless form, so I see the point you are trying to make.  I do, however, think its a load of codswallop - aside from the key differences such as Flintoff being a naturally rustic player selected as a bowler who bats rather than one of your supposedly prime players, it WASN'T HIS FIRST BALL IN THE MIDST OF A COLLAPSE!

In some players we might say, ah well, it was an aberration, but from Bell?  The same guy who practically burst into tears when Shane Warne called him the Shermanator?  Who makes all his runs aftr someone else has already softened up the ball and the attack for him? Who has serially bottled it?  No.  It was concrete evidence of a guy who doesn't deserve to be feted in the way that he is.

The beauty of cricket - or any sport at elite level - is that you cannot say, 100%, that any individual player is guaranteed to save a test match, or score a goal, or make a putt - Berry's point is mute, because there aren't any players' you can rely on at, say, 50-4 with a day to go to save a game.  Bell isn't guaranteed to do so, but he has in the recent past 'saved' games against SA in SA, Australia at home and India in the last series.  You suggest that Bairstow and Root DEFINITELY can.  After 2-3 test matches?  Are they more likely to than Bell?  I would pick Bell, at the present time, over Compton, Bairstow, Morgan, Bopara, Taylor and any other emerging playe

No, there are no givens.  But if you were told that you would die if an English batsman couldn't last 45 overs against a top attack, I reckon Bell would be the last guy you'd ask to bat for you.  You cite some examples but, well, Brigadeer Block did most of the work in two and his doubtless career saving century in the last test in India came - no shocks here with Bell - after the top four had done the hard work and broken the backs of Indian resistance already.  Meanwhile, the players you'd leave out....well, where was Bell when Bairstow fended off Steyn, Philander and Morkel almost single handed?  And where was he when Jor Root ON DEBUT held the first innings together?  Oh, yeah, he'd got out, to shockingly inappropriate shots both times...



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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 07:25:18 PM »

I think Bell is the best looking batsmen we have, and on his day is pure class. HOWEVER, I don't think in my opinion he's that good that I wouldn't be looking to Root/Bairstow. I'd be throwing them in the mix now to see if they can handle it BEFORE the ashes.

I'd keep compton personally as I don't think he's done anything wrong, plus with root at 5, Bairstow at 6 that's perfect breeding ground for Root as a future opener and Bairstow as our future middle order player. Defo agree that we have more pressing issues.. Broad! He hasn't be upto the quality for a long time and is living on his past few glories.

Anyway, I don't expect Bell to be dropped as he seem's undropable from the current England side. We are starting to get to many 30 something batsmen which although is their 'prime', it's also closer to past their prime. We need to have a couple of mid 20's in there learning their trade.
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2013, 08:04:18 PM »

Would M&H not want him to use the stickers for the bats that they are actually selling to the retail trade? I would have thought so personally so I think he is more likely to end up with one of those. The other option is for M&H to push the retro branding more but I can't see it happening really
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2013, 09:12:45 AM »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-england-2013/engine/current/match/569236.html

I knew he would get a ton after yesterdays conversations. I wonder what his username on the forum is ;)
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2013, 09:14:44 AM »

More than happy to! If Ian Bell shouldn't be in the team then neither should Trott or Pietersen

Really?  Because they've shown so much mental weakness in the past haven't they!
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2013, 09:15:40 AM »

I knew he would get a ton after yesterdays conversations. I wonder what his username on the forum is ;)

doesn;t change a damn thing though, does it?  First time the pressure is on, we all know what will happen!
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2013, 09:19:53 AM »

I didn't say all is forgiven, just think irony is a funny thing haha

I'm not his biggest fan mate, will just be interesting to see how it all pans out this summer!
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2013, 09:27:44 AM »

Bell has to be, and will be, in the side for the Ashes this summer. I'm not sure what the rush is to replace him anyway? In the current side we can accommodate Compton, Root and Bell and who else are we suggesting to replace Bell? Bairstow? Had a stunning knock against SA but has gone off the boil since to the point where he has been jettisoned in the ODI and T20 sides. I know that was partly due to external issues, but I'm not sure we should be rushing him back in. IMO, Taylor is probably next in line and has enhanced his reputation on the Lions tour.

However, Bell has been a mainstay of a strong England side for a while and should not be dropped. Papers always need something to write about and it's harder to do when England are actually playing well. More focus should be on the third seamer, as we have carried Broad for several series now.
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2013, 09:33:36 AM »

Bairstow had two stunning knocks against SA and has hardly had a chance since!

Bell, meanwhile, has consistently bottled it! 
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2013, 09:49:44 AM »

Bairstow had two stunning knocks against SA and has hardly had a chance since!
Bell, meanwhile, has consistently bottled it!

Bairstow's family problems came at the wrong time and Root grabbed his opportunity with both hands and both feet!

can't blame the selectors for that.
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2013, 09:51:50 AM »

The thing with Bell is, he'll have one good knock then everyone gets off his back for a while. Personally I don't think he's good enough. Scores runs when they don't really matter that much. Someone else should be given a chance
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2013, 09:52:53 AM »

He's the Frank Lampard of cricket.

Bosh, there's another ton/30 yard screamer...that should get me another 10 caps
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2013, 10:08:07 AM »

He's the Frank Lampard of cricket.

Bosh, there's another ton/30 yard screamer...that should get me another 10 caps

Love it!
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Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2013, 10:20:19 AM »

Bairstow's family problems came at the wrong time and Root grabbed his opportunity with both hands and both feet!

can't blame the selectors for that.

Factually inaccurate - he was dropped from the side for the first test to accommodate Pietersen, Compton and Ffat Sammy.  The first was a no-brainer, the second reasonable given the need for a specialist opener.  The third.....really?
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