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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2013, 09:59:17 AM »

MY view is ..

if you walk into a shop there are 2 bats on the shelf

1 bat is a GN legnend other bat is a Hammer both bats are lets say £400 quid

joe public is usually gonna pick the legend. because gn have spent the last 100 years creating there brand..

when a new company comes out and says wow look at this its also 400 quid but no body has a bloody clue who it is.

where as if it was priced a little cheaper id be more likley to look at it buy it

Not always though, especially if the hammer looks better in their eyes.
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2013, 11:56:17 AM »

MY view is ..

if you walk into a shop there are 2 bats on the shelf
1 bat is a GN legnend other bat is a Hammer both bats are lets say £400 quid joe public is usually gonna pick the legend. because gn have spent the last 100 years creating there brand..when a new company comes out and says wow look at this its also 400 quid but no body has a bloody clue who it is. where as if it was priced a little cheaper id be more likley to look at it buy it

Actually from what I have seen if someone walks in (with a 400 quid budget) and sees two bats Legend & Hammer, both priced the same and they have average knowledge of products then they will buy whatever stickers look better to them...at this point I think Hammer is ahead on stickers...although retro GN looks nice too but I think Hammer is edging it...

I think Hammer's target is people who walk in with a wad of cash, which is fine as it will setup the brand as top of the line stuff (which they are anyways)...remember most people think expensive = good quality...
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2013, 11:58:05 AM »

I think Hammer needs at least 1 lower grade/cost bat to rope in people who are hesitant, and you know how it works...if you have had 1 great bat from a brand chances are you are going to stick with them for a long time and most likely buy more expensive models in future...look at me with RPC, Pedals with Chase, Procricketer with SS etc...

P.s. I would be more than happy to review a Hammer and compare it to my RPC, SCat, Salix, H4L if Jason wants to send me one. I can also gurantee you an honest review considering I sold my virtually brand new Hades on ebay for 11.50 GBP....
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2013, 12:06:07 PM »

MY view is ..

if you walk into a shop there are 2 bats on the shelf

1 bat is a GN legnend other bat is a Hammer both bats are lets say £400 quid

joe public is usually gonna pick the legend. because gn have spent the last 100 years creating there brand..

when a new company comes out and says wow look at this its also 400 quid but no body has a bloody clue who it is.

where as if it was priced a little cheaper id be more likley to look at it buy it

I'd be tempted to think the opposite. Because GN have a big range I reckon the view might be '£400 for a GN? - They must be joking.'
« Last Edit: March 15, 2013, 12:07:51 PM by trypewriter »
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2013, 12:21:38 PM »

MY view is ..

if you walk into a shop there are 2 bats on the shelf

1 bat is a GN legnend other bat is a Hammer both bats are lets say £400 quid

joe public is usually gonna pick the legend. because gn have spent the last 100 years creating there brand..

when a new company comes out and says wow look at this its also 400 quid but no body has a bloody clue who it is.

where as if it was priced a little cheaper id be more likley to look at it buy it

And for every person who thinks that, there is one who thinks "ooooh that's different, I might try Hammer".  There will always be people who like and dislike companies for whatever reason.  Personally, I have never really got on with GNs as much as other bats (no idea why?) and if I had to spend £400 and the was a choice between the two, I would not be as quick to go for the Legend.  It would come down to how the bats feel in the hand.

I think there is room for plenty of bats, companies, prices, etc.  If you don't like something then you don't buy it. Simple.
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2013, 12:39:19 PM »

I think Hammer needs at least 1 lower grade/cost bat to rope in people who are hesitant, and you know how it works...if you have had 1 great bat from a brand chances are you are going to stick with them for a long time and most likely buy more expensive models in future...look at me with RPC, Pedals with Chase, Procricketer with SS etc...

P.s. I would be more than happy to review a Hammer and compare it to my RPC, SCat, Salix, H4L if Jason wants to send me one. I can also gurantee you an honest review considering I sold my virtually brand new Hades on ebay for 11.50 GBP....


You'll have to let me know next time you list a bat on eBay.

But more seriously this all comes down to if you like the bats and what you're willing to spend. I've no doubt that a hammer is just as good as the other more expensive bats Paul sells. Personally I think £300 is too much for any bat given how you can buy bats that will probably perform as well for far less that just don't look as nice. I don't play premier league and if I was good enough too my opinion may be different but I think £150 is probably the most I'd spend on a bat. At the moment that rules me out if buying a hammer, if they released a cheaper bat I might consider it.

I think the argument about spending less on a bat and more on coaching has been made before on here and is probably the best advice for most of us.
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2013, 12:43:27 PM »

We've sold more Hammer bats than any other brand from mid-Feb through to today.  All to UK based customers too.  Make of that what you will...

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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2013, 01:03:55 PM »

We've sold more Hammer bats than any other brand from mid-Feb through to today.  All to UK based customers too.  Make of that what you will...
That is the only factor that matters mate. If they sell theres nothing else to worry about.
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2013, 01:12:21 PM »

We've sold more Hammer bats than any other brand from mid-Feb through to today.  All to UK based customers too.  Make of that what you will...

what RP just said! ;)
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2013, 01:14:29 PM »

They sell because they are quality, and quality will always sell, no matter the price.  End of...

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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2013, 01:25:19 PM »

Actually from what I have seen if someone walks in (with a 400 quid budget) and sees two bats Legend & Hammer, both priced the same and they have average knowledge of products then they will buy whatever stickers look better to them...at this point I think Hammer is ahead on stickers...although retro GN looks nice too but I think Hammer is edging it...

I think Hammer's target is people who walk in with a wad of cash, which is fine as it will setup the brand as top of the line stuff (which they are anyways)...remember most people think expensive = good quality...

No disrespect to Paul and Jason here (I'm just playing devils advocate) if you had £400 and an average knowledge of bats, would you choose a Hammer over a Laver?  I know which I would pick.  I've seen the Hammer bats and they are lovely sticks, but would I want to part with that much money for something that isn't custom made to my specifications?

One other thing about visiting Tall Paul's which I believe that quite a few people on here miss, is his knowledge of what kit will fit peoples needs and what won't, bear in mind we aren't just talking about forum nerds like us who make up about 0.1% of cricketers.  Your average club player won't know the difference between an unstickered Hammer and an unstickered Legend, which is where someone like Paul comes in as he is able to educate mr average in his decision making.
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2013, 01:27:56 PM »

No disrespect to Paul and Jason here (I'm just playing devils advocate) if you had £400 and an average knowledge of bats, would you choose a Hammer over a Laver?  I know which I would pick.  I've seen the Hammer bats and they are lovely sticks, but would I want to part with that much money for something that isn't custom made to my specifications?

One other thing about visiting Tall Paul's which I believe that quite a few people on here miss, is his knowledge of what kit will fit peoples needs and what won't, bear in mind we aren't just talking about forum nerds like us who make up about 0.1% of cricketers.  Your average club player won't know the difference between an unstickered Hammer and an unstickered Legend, which is where someone like Paul comes in as he is able to educate mr average in his decision making.

You'd be surprised to know but there are a lot of people who have never ever heard of L&W as well...
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2013, 01:30:15 PM »

You'd be surprised to know but there are a lot of people who have never ever heard of L&W as well...

True, I'm just trying to use a what if scenario where someone with some knowledge has heard of both.
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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2013, 02:43:53 PM »

At least 75% of the people that walk through my door don't know anything beyond GN, GM, Kookaburra, Slazenger and a handful of others.

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Re: My visit to IJC
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2013, 03:19:47 PM »

I thought i would start off with this...



The many faces of texting ( forums )...probably 5/10 of my posts for some reason seem to upset people. I know there is one guy who gets upset when i do this......

Please note i am making a concerted effort to stop doing that. And will try not to rape the english language for you guys.Please note today i am happy and am actually quite impressed with this discussion so far. No one has really been one sided, rude or just trying to stir the pot. Which i must say is refreshing.

I think one of my biggest challenges in getting accepted on this forum has been the question, " why are you more expensive than brand X who get their bats from the same place "? and for me the answer is simple but i can understand why you perceive me as being more expensive. I saw this same issue now as im developing some kit bags in india and a similar bag is already for sale from the same supplier here in the Uk from brand X. Its simple, brand X isnt for sale in stores. They are only available on the Brands website. If he wanted to ever grow and put them in stores he would have to increase his prices 30%. same issue with bats. Im also not going to say my bats are better than brand X who get their bats made at the same place, Its simple, im 4000 miles away from my bat maker and i sell my bats in stores. to do that everyone wants to make money and therefore the prices are higher.

A question may be, why are indian made bats the same price as bats made in England, shouldn't they be cheaper?

There is also the issue of How dare i charge a similar price to the top boys, who do i think i am? :) Did you know, if Paul sells a Hammer bat, he makes more money than me off that bat but doesnt make more off my bats than any other brand. My thought is my prices are comparable with other brands in that respect.

My gear is quality, and quality is not cheap. That little sticker on the side of my bat that says " made in England " and " made in NZ " thats a very very expensive sticker, far more expensive than any £300 bat. It also carries a lot on its shoulders. many of you would not even look at a bat unless its made in England and thats probably the same for many people around in the world.

In a way the Bespoke industry in the UK ( although its good for the consumer as its gives you a big selection ) is hurting the industry as well. As the bespoke bat maker only puts his % on top of the price. It may be the reason i think GM eventually will move their production to india one day. They cant compete on price for much longer and will follow slazenger and gray nicolls to india. And i think that will be a sad day when they do.

Moving to another continent now. Ive been hard on aussie stores in some of my videos in the past for being so damn expensive and now that im working to get into that market i know why, and you will be surprised to know my bats are in fact at present not expensive enough to fit in there. The reason is this, a 20% import tax on all shipments over $1000.

As far as cheaper bats go, please contact Paul if you are interested in a £190 Hammer.

I hope that has clarified some issues for you guys and hope you guys see this in the context in which its intended.

I also want to say, i know my bats arent for everybody. I understand if you want a legend over a hammer. Legends are awesome bats. As many of you may know at present im not even using a hammer bat myself. Yes you heard it, im not using a hammer. Im in the business of cricket bats and there are so many wonderful bats and bat makers out there. I currently have an Affinity and a H4L. both are just beautiful bats and if either move to america they would very quickly become bat makers for Hammer. I would love to own a screaming cat one day ( hopefully not with 5 grains though )some of you know what thats about. the GM players edition epic is a belter, would love to have a blue room and thats just to name a few. i certainly wouldnt mind one of the GN dynadrives that are made in england with 10 grains. that would be a beauty. so why limit yourself to only one bat and one brand. go out there, enjoy life, dont take it to seriously and have a pint with mates as often as possible.

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