Topic: To ping or not to ping. (Read 8432 times)

procricket · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2013, 11:59:17 PM »

Sareen sports when right are hard to best by any bat on value or quality...

I just sold mine handle set too far forward for me

wilkie113 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2013, 12:03:41 AM »

Agree with you on H4L pressing tusher, the one I have is truly unbelievable, and the clefts that were pressed by Matt and sold by Peplow, unreal too. Genuinely one of the best I've used

Six Sixes Cricket · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2013, 09:43:47 AM »

I would Love to know what a soft pressed bat is?

fasteddie · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2013, 11:36:16 AM »

Quote from: ItsJustCricket on March 16, 2013, 10:41:34 PM

In my experience, Salix, M&H, Hammer, Affinity and Newbery produce the best pressed bats on the market. And they are all English made bats. Can't be a coincidence, surely?!

Hammer do not make cricket bats. They simply put stickers on other peoples work! Their spokesmen also has appalling grammar!

fasteddie · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2013, 11:40:11 AM »

I'm still interested in the original point.
Pressing is great, if you've got a decent cleft to press. But what about those are beyond even alchemy?

What is the wastage ratio?

Also, Dean stated that 'it's all in the pressing'. I'm going to question that point.
In direct relation to the original question, the duff cleft will always be duff. You can't make it good by pressing.

I think what Dean alludes to is making a decent cleft better.

What is the % of cuckoos in the nest?

IQ · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2013, 12:37:28 PM »

Think this post is more of a rhetorical question by OP.

Dud bats are still sold by companies. They don't give a flying.....

To Be fair with some bats it'd be hard to predict with certainity whether they are going to be the terrible ones.

The bat maker or manufacturing unit will be "hopeful" that with knocking it will come to life.

In the past seen some such duds end up in bargain bins with some shops. Sometimes sold to club kits as specials. Or school kits. That would certainly explain most of the school bats I had to use.

You know the worst bats are the ones that refuse to play better or break! Dead albatross around your neck!

procricket · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2013, 07:41:19 PM »

If it all just the pressing it is possible to press a bat by hand over pressed is ackiller under pressed you can do the rest yourself

Rob not softly pressed I would say lightly pressed

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2013, 07:45:17 PM »

Quote from: fasteddie on March 17, 2013, 11:36:16 AM

Hammer do not make cricket bats. They simply put stickers on other peoples work! Their spokesmen also has appalling grammar!

True he doesn't make bats, just had an idea, sourced a bat maker on both sides of the world, worked on a design idea, spent money out of his own pocket to start a brand, arranged for stickers and bat sleeves, designed and arranged for softs to be made, found a stockist to sell them, and maybe worst of all forgot to by a dictionary.

Like you say not a lot of work really, and defiantly the only person in the market that has every done that.

Optical · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2013, 09:09:15 AM »

Quote from: Chad on March 16, 2013, 11:25:43 PM

My friend had an SG bat, which was rock hard in sound and just sounded horrible. I didn't really tell him straight up my thoughts, as it was a present from his girlfriend when they were both in India. I just said, "It is really nice, a little hard pressed and will take a little time to play in, but nice!" If I had bought that bat, I would have sent it back, it sounded rock solid. Much harder pressed than the Kookaburra I bought off Asad, and more than double the price! The bat actually broke on its second use too, he hit a ball near the toe, and there was a split from edge to edge just under the splice. This has put me off SG, as that bat was a complete plank. To think it cost that much! It made my Laver sound soft!

I have tapped up an SS, and they are lovely. There are some CAs which are pressed rock hard, but others which are softer pressed. My friends TRD was really soft sounding. MSR say they press their bats soft, but I actually found that the bat made a really hard sound at start, but dented really easily. Just not pressed quite enough I guess!

I also saw a well used Flare today, and the sound off that was incredible. I wonder if it was a one off, or if a bat just sounds that good after a long period of use. Pressing is a really important, yet strange thing...

Personally I think it has more to do with the drying of the cleft that is making these bats hard. To get these massive profile / edge bats they are drying the clefts to an inch of their life to reduce the weight which in turn make the blade harder but brittle. Pressing removes moisture so as the clefts are dryer they soft press them but you still get a hard sounding bat.

fasteddie · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2013, 09:36:45 AM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on March 17, 2013, 07:45:17 PM

True he doesn't make bats, just had an idea, sourced a bat maker on both sides of the world, worked on a design idea, spent money out of his own pocket to start a brand, arranged for stickers and bat sleeves, designed and arranged for softs to be made, found a stockist to sell them, and maybe worst of all forgot to by a dictionary.

Like you say not a lot of work really, and defiantly the only person in the market that has every done that.

The marketing isn't rocket science and if done well is not expensive.
I'd say <�10k and you're up and running.
A lot of what you've stated is making phone calls and sourcing which is virtually free.

The expensive and 'value adding' part is the manufacturing process. Everything else is just transparent froth.

And, if any person in charge of public communication forgot basic grammar they would be re-assigned. How many (serious) companies hire someone without grammatical skills to manage their written output.

A lot of people seem to allow Hammer so much leniency. Not sure why.

Bruce · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2013, 09:51:56 AM »

Quote from: fasteddie on March 17, 2013, 11:36:16 AM

Hammer do not make cricket bats. They simply put stickers on other peoples work! Their spokesmen also has appalling grammar!

You could argue that Newbery and M&H don't make bats too....

Number4 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:14:50 AM »

Who gives a flying if his grammar is good, bad or indifferent... Good grammar isn't a prerequisite to becoming a successful businessman.

Plenty of successful uneducated brilliant people out there in the big wide world.

Not saying Jason/Hammer is uneducated either.

Dan W · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:25:01 AM »

I'm still of the opinion that 95% of people, including shop owners and people on here (including myself!) couldn't differentiate between 'ping' and 'ripeness' (i.e. whether it's knocked/played in or not) of a bat.

And I don't think the in shop tap up does little more than reassure the ego

And that's not before you consider sheer wood weight - how many would say a M&H Distinction 'pings' more than an M&H Original mid or Harlequin

Certainly (genuinely) the 2 best rebounders I've owned were a Distinction and an ex pro Mongoose...Obscene power (standing and reflective) from the pair of them but never could tell if it was ping of the silly amounts of wood behind it!

Doesn't change a thing of course. And sometimes it's almost a nice surprise to find a plank amongst the forest, just to remind you that sometimes the mallets doesn't always fly back through your wrist

fasteddie · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:48:10 AM »

Quote from: Number4 on March 18, 2013, 10:14:50 AM

Who gives a flying if his grammar is good, bad or indifferent... Good grammar isn't a prerequisite to becoming a successful businessman.

Plenty of successful uneducated brilliant people out there in the big wide world.

Not saying Jason/Hammer is uneducated either.

I agree. Education and academic ability are not pre-requisites in business.

But how many successful companies have such bad grammar in their public communications? Go onto the twitter feeds and blogs of any of the FTSE 250 companies and show me the same.
I think some people here have a bad case of 'Emperors new clothes' with Hammer. He seems to be forgiven for doing even the basics wrong!

Number4 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:53:02 AM »

Sorry didn't realise Hammer Cricket was on the FTSE let alone the top 250

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