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[RoCo Da Pixie]

All this Hammer bashing is getting a bit tedious. This thread was in relation to bat pings but has been taken off topic. Can we try to get back on topic?

I am glad that Farnham Quins has seen my new Salix bat and says it is a good one in relation to "ping"

[fasteddie]

All this Hammer bashing is getting a bit tedious. This thread was in relation to bat pings but has been taken off topic. Can we try to get back on topic?

I am glad that Farnham Quins has seen my new Salix bat and says it is a good one in relation to "ping"

Agreed. I was merely replying to Paul's incorrect and misleading post.

A new Salix.....cat and cream spring to mind!

[ItsJustCricket]

I'm very sorry about my "incorrect and misleading post" which has steered this thread of course.  In actual fact, I made a mistake and used the wrong wording.  I said that these five companies, including Hammer, "produce their own bats".  Of course, I know how and where Hammer bats are made.  I guess I should have said something like "Hammer, M&H, Newbery, Salix and Affinity bats are, in my opinion, the best pressed".  The use of the word "produced" has clearly been my downfall here.  Feels like I'm back in English class - never have I felt that my grammar and choice of words has been so closely scrutinized!  I guess I'm not the only one on here who feels this way now...

[uknsaunders]

agree with you Paul on this, I don't think it's the crime fasteddie is building it up to be. Since it's obvious who makes Hammer bats and they are made by some of the best, I don't think picking up on the odd word is really worth it.

[fasteddie]

I'm very sorry about my "incorrect and misleading post" which has steered this thread of course.  In actual fact, I made a mistake and used the wrong wording.  I said that these five companies, including Hammer, "produce their own bats".  Of course, I know how and where Hammer bats are made.  I guess I should have said something like "Hammer, M&H, Newbery, Salix and Affinity bats are, in my opinion, the best pressed".  The use of the word "produced" has clearly been my downfall here.  Feels like I'm back in English class - never have I felt that my grammar and choice of words has been so closely scrutinized!  I guess I'm not the only one on here who feels this way now...

Since when has been so hard for a company to use the correct grammar when communicating.

I can't believe you feel put upon! If you post as IJC you're liable for your words. It's the basics no?

People lose their jobs for making such mistakes. Why not get into the habit of correctness.
It's about image. Nothing more, but totally critical.

Not having a pop.

[Ciaran]

I agree. Education and academic ability are not pre-requisites in business.

But how many successful companies have such bad grammar in their public communications? Go onto the twitter feeds and blogs of any of the FTSE 250 companies and show me the same.
I think some people here have a bad case of 'Emperors new clothes' with Hammer. He seems to be forgiven for doing even the basics wrong!

Terrible point. Go to the Twitter of Richard Branson or Alan Sugar.

Eddie to me it seems you have a negative attitude towards Hammer and even Paul. It has to stop, it puts a sour note on the forum for no reason.

I actually think most people on here are ridiculously anti Hammer. You can say whatever you want about him, at the end of the day he probably sells more bats than you ever will. You might not like his style but I guarentee you cannot argue with his results. If your going to spend ages criticizing him or his actions see how easy it is to do what he does.

[fasteddie]

Terrible point. Go to the Twitter of Richard Branson or Alan Sugar.

Eddie to me it seems you have a negative attitude towards Hammer and even Paul. It has to stop, it puts a sour note on the forum for no reason.

I actually think most people on here are ridiculously anti Hammer. You can say whatever you want about him, at the end of the day he probably sells more bats than you ever will. You might not like his style but I guarentee you cannot argue with his results. If your going to spend ages criticizing him or his actions see how easy it is to do what he does.

I've sent you a PM.
...and you can put that finger away.

[thedon]

I have met Paul from ijc and his grasp of the english language is second to none,so much so, if I am not mistaken he is surely privately educated

[Dan W]

FFS, it's not grammer (a their/there/they're insistence), it's ensuring certain standards of accuracy about a bats provenanzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I admire your persistence FE, though it must be a hard and thankless task being the sole bearer of the grammar flame. I think Pauls' (shoot, is that 's, s' or just s?) grammar is second to none and I think It's Just Cricket will be It's Still Just Cricket next year, typo or not

Back to the subject (if people can still remember the OP...) one of the things that sub consciously puts me off bats from the subcontinent, is the sheer travel these things go through, and the various storages they must go through. I remember getting my first super-bat reading a bit too much on here and thinking I was going to need to install a thermidor (sp?) in my small 1 bed in Notting Hill to keep it, such was the precious care I should take of it...Needless to say I'm a bit more relaxed now but I do still wonder the sorts of micro climates a subcontinent a standard J.S.Wright number goes through from here to there to here? Would that affect the 'ping'?

(Granted, I get they're probably stored/dried in pretty shoddy shipping containers over here too, though the weather is rarely too extreme, just dull and whinge-enducing)

[Buzz]

I think there is only one Paul, so it is Paul's grammar rather than two Pauls' grammar.

It would get confusing if there were two Marcus' bats

I hate criticising peoples grammar on here as I invariably make a mistake when I do it and look a double wotsit.

[procricket]

What all this got to do with bats

Love hammer or hate them there not going to be bad sticks...

My grammar is (No Swearing Please) but I know a good bat when I use one.....

[Dan W]

Maybe we need another section - The "Hamma Gramma Slamma" where we can stick Jason/Spelling/Eddie "Communications Management" advice?!

[petehosk]

Pro - I believe that fasteddie was trying to make a point that hammer do not PRODUCE (or make) their own bats.
Which is fine to make that point, but it's a point that should have been made in a single line! There is no need to then rip into hammer, ijc and anyone else, as that just seems like overkill/nasty/argumentative...and then other forumites do not appreciate an almost bullying attitude!

I agree that this should be about bats and not labouring on a point that could have been made in 1 line!

So, let's get back to the subject fellas 

[Chad]

Interesting thing happened last night, I brought about 7 bats I wanted to sell to cricket nets last night, and a guy picked out a bat that he liked the look and pick up of, and bounced a ball on it and said "This bat has no ping". Now of course, I was slightly offended as I like to think that I wouldn't be trying to sell duds to anyone, and funny thing is, I have one of his son's bats in for repair (plays for Scotland) which was fully knocked in, and the bat he had picked up responded pretty similarly with a ball. Considering the bat hadn't been knocked in at all, I can only assume that it will get much better with some time with a mallet. However, I think that picking a bat on ping alone is not a good way to go about it, as each plays in differently and each one is pressed in a different way depending on what the maker wants to achieve. Also, the fact that his son had been using a Newbery GT Players which responded pretty similarly shows that the ping of a bat and how it plays are two completely different things. Should also mention that his son also came to look at bats, and he based everything on pick-up a feel, and didn't choose by bouncing a ball on them, simply because they didn't pick up the way he liked his bats.

I picked up every GM bat in my sports store the other day, and they all sounded exactly the same, as in they all had a planky sound. Then come the next day, my friend brought a GM Flare he had found, very well used, but the sound off the mallet, ball response and pick up were all incredible. I think initial ping is a very misleading thing to judge a bat on, and all bats need to be given time to be played in. If we are so worried about ping in this forum, why do we buy Lavers? Because we like to give them time to play in. If you are like me, and like to use/buy lots of bats, I would say initial ping is somewhat important, but if you stick to 1-2 bats a season, then always, always pick a bat on pick-up and feel.

IMO, it's very hard to tell a bat is a complete dud, which is why some companies, even the boutique ones, end up selling duds. It's just wood in the end, and I reckon that if the batmaker knows it is a complete dud, he will cut it down to a smaller size and sell it as a junior bat or something like that.

[fasteddie]

Good point Chad.

I saw the pic of your Supreme, it looks fantastic.
Mine is playing really well. Actually another team mate has bought one and a couple more are considering the same!

Enjoy the Vintage/Supreme.