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[rajesh500]

What should be the fair rule for forefeited game? Here is the scenario:
This pool has four teams and top two teams will qualify for playoffs. Teams: A, B, C, D.
win = 2 points, loss = 0, forfeited = 2
Team A has 4 points, Team B has 4 points, Team C has 2 points and Team D has zero. Team C has to play a game against D.

Team A and B has better run rate than team C but team C thought they will get better run rate against team D because it is not a good team.
Team D forfeited the match because of any reason. I feel it is not fair for team C.

What do you think should be the rule so that it is fair for everyone?  (Last year we had a rule that team C will get +1 run rate but that has some other issues.)

[fatbats]

Maybe go on wins losses between team a b c

[tushar sehgal]

What should be the fair rule for forefeited game? Here is the scenario:
This pool has four teams and top two teams will qualify for playoffs. Teams: A, B, C, D.
win = 2 points, loss = 0, forfeited = 2
Team A has 4 points, Team B has 4 points, Team C has 2 points and Team D has zero. Team C has to play a game against D.

Team A and B has better run rate than team C but team C thought they will get better run rate against team D because it is not a good team.
Team D forfeited the match because of any reason. I feel it is not fair for team C.

What do you think should be the rule so that it is fair for everyone?  (Last year we had a rule that team C will get +1 run rate but that has some other issues.)

Unfortunately mate that is cricket, sometimes these situations favor you and other times they don't. As long as rules are clear prior to the start of tournament team C does not have much to complain.

[Buzz]

life is unfair. Team C (I guess that is your team...) should have won the game they (you) lost. So long as the rules were made clear at the start of the competition, then they are fair.
you can't blame other people for your failings, seek to improve, not to look for excuses.

[MD2812]

It doesn't seem outrageously unfair to me.

Team C know the conditions before the game, and although Team D has lost previous games, there is no guarantee Team C would have beaten them.

[rajesh500]

life is unfair. Team C (I guess that is your team...) should have won the game they (you) lost. So long as the rules were made clear at the start of the competition, then they are fair.
you can't blame other people for your failings, seek to improve, not to look for excuses.

Buzz.. I don't think you understood what I am trying to say mate. This is not for my team or for my club so no question for excuses dude.. if you know what I mean.  Regarding improving, I think everyone want to improve in there lives mate..  If you don't the answer, fine.. but don't put RASH words to HURT people.

[rajesh500]

It doesn't seem outrageously unfair to me.

Team C know the conditions before the game, and although Team D has lost previous games, there is no guarantee Team C would have beaten them.

Thats a good point.. Do you think Team C should get Two points though meaning they have won the game with ZERO run rate?

[rajesh500]

Unfortunately mate that is cricket, sometimes these situations favor you and other times they don't. As long as rules are clear prior to the start of tournament team C does not have much to complain.

I know Tushar, the rule we put didn't work. We thought team C will get +1 run rate. +1 rate can be calculated in different ways and affects Cumulative Run rate.

The other idea I had was to not count the games for team A and B against team D.

[Buzz]

Regarding improving, I think everyone want to improve in there lives mate..  If you don't the answer, fine.. but don't put RASH words to HURT people.

sorry if you took them the wrong way, they weren't meant to be rash or hurtful, just firm.
we see everydayhighly paid professional sportsmen and their managers moaning at this and that when they don't look at their own failings first.
journalists don't help.
the first question asked is always about ref decisions etc.

the only way to improve is to improve the controllables, I.e. you and your performance. the uncontrollables are the rules/laws and those enforcing them.

so my point is as everyone knew the rules up front they are fair. The team that didn't show should get a separate penalty for downgrading the value of the competition.

so sorry for making an assumption it was your team, I guess I have become to cynical! 

[rajesh500]

sorry if you took them the wrong way, they weren't meant to be rash or hurtful, just firm.
we see everydayhighly paid professional sportsmen and their managers moaning at this and that when they don't look at their own failings first.
journalists don't help.
the first question asked is always about ref decisions etc.

the only way to improve is to improve the controllables, I.e. you and your performance. the uncontrollables are the rules/laws and those enforcing them.

so my point is as everyone knew the rules up front they are fair. The team that didn't show should get a separate penalty for downgrading the value of the competition.

so sorry for making an assumption it was your team, I guess I have become to cynical!

sorry, it look bit harsh initially. Our season is strating in May so we are thinking of changing this rule.

[tushar sehgal]

I know Tushar, the rule we put didn't work. We thought team C will get +1 run rate. +1 rate can be calculated in different ways and affects Cumulative Run rate.

The other idea I had was to not count the games for team A and B against team D.

recalc the net run rate for both team A & B by excluding the match the played against team D...it has effectively become a 3 team tournament where each team won 1 game...so if you eliminate the team D run/rate from the equation might even up...much easier to explain rather than the +1 idea

so calc the run rate for A vs B, B vs C & C vs A...top 2 go for the final...

[smokem]

A forfeit is a forfeit. To penalise the other teams that beat Team D is even more unfair IMO. And who's to say that Team C would have definitely beat Team D, let alone by a much better run rate?

[Manormanic]

The simple fact of the matter is that you will always get complications like these however much you try to avoid it.  I know my club's threes felt hard done to on a couple of occasions last year when teams dropped out of their league because they had been allowed to cancel some games on spurious weather related concerns, which gave us only 7 points when later in the season the league ordered them to fold and gave their other opponents 20 points.  But you accept that noone sets out to screw you over and get on with it, trying to get where you are aiming for on the back of your own performances!