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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2013, 09:11:21 AM »

All marketing tools.

We like to think there more to bats than there is.

Doesn't matter anyway if the user is dud then so will any bat

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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2013, 09:16:49 AM »

I also think that swell position is key, you could have a lovely looking/ performing bat but if you cant find the middle then its useless.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2013, 09:19:55 AM »

Coverage comes into then for me not strength that's why I am slowly moving away from concaved bats it offers a line down the bat but I want width to my middle I guess that's why off set edges helps to a degree.

For me the most interesting shapes currently are convex which in truth should offer a bigger coverage

I find where not pro's it about coverage massively how often do we middle the ball as asad says every little helps
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2013, 09:41:21 AM »

This is something that I was going to do a topic on soon. Over the last year or so, I have seen 90% of bats on this forum being sold as Grade 1s or LE's. Most of these bats are grade 2/3's being passed on as G1s.

I rarely see a genuine grade 1 bat on this forum. The LE tag or G1+ bat is just rubbish. Grade 1 is top of the line willow full stop. The best willow should be sold as grade 1  and then there should be gems of bats in the grade 1s.

MSR is the only bat company who sells genuine graded willow. Too many people are sucked into performance willow. Performance willow is only a term used to describe ugly willow being sold at an inflated price.

I received a small shipment of bats from India during the week from a manufacturer which are graded from 1 to 6. I could easily pass half of it off as grade 1s if I wanted to. Afterall only a small percentage of willow leaves wrights as Grade 1 so you do the math as to why you see so many grade 1 bats floating around
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2013, 09:44:41 AM »

You would tend to think that anyone making bats that claims they grade on performance, is digging a bit of a hole for themselves.
Who would want to buy a bat that is rated an inferior performer, no matter how good it looks?

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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2013, 09:54:11 AM »

This is something that I was going to do a topic on soon. Over the last year or so, I have seen 90% of bats on this forum being sold as Grade 1s or LE's. Most of these bats are grade 2/3's being passed on as G1s.

I rarely see a genuine grade 1 bat on this forum. The LE tag or G1+ bat is just rubbish. Grade 1 is top of the line willow full stop. The best willow should be sold as grade 1  and then there should be gems of bats in the grade 1s.

MSR is the only bat company who sells genuine graded willow. Too many people are sucked into performance willow. Performance willow is only a term used to describe ugly willow being sold at an inflated price.

I received a small shipment of bats from India during the week from a manufacturer which are graded from 1 to 6. I could easily pass half of it off as grade 1s if I wanted to. Afterall only a small percentage of willow leaves wrights as Grade 1 so you do the math as to why you see so many grade 1 bats floating around

It surely is a topic been mentioned before mate about people on here over grading but it so blatant and it funny you see people with there usual wow comments when some know it not a grade 1yet the great comments flow because it a forum sponsor.

I hear grade 1 true grade 1 is getting harder to get.

Does it only matter because of the price or because of the looks....

Only thing that does my head in when you know somebody has been sold something it not.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2013, 10:09:58 AM »

You would tend to think that anyone making bats that claims they grade on performance, is digging a bit of a hole for themselves.
Who would want to buy a bat that is rated an inferior performer, no matter how good it looks?
Indeed, I'd be more inclined to buy the ugly but a goer so it's priced like a G1, the these same companies also tried to sell good looking bats at G3 prices because they we total planks!
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2013, 10:19:13 AM »

I thought the term had changed from "performance grade" to "pro's bats"
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2013, 08:26:00 PM »

I love Laver's description for their special reserve.

For the Special Reserve clefts, we are not looking for straight grains but simply for the clefts that hit the ball the furthest. If power is what you are looking for then the Special Reserve is likely to be the bat for you.

Mine looks ace and it has a wonderful middle
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2013, 08:50:54 PM »

Smaller brands are able to press bats individually, when i say individually i mean to their optimum, not using the same pressure for each blade.

I'd dare to say that no one on this forum would pay £200+ for a well pressed grade 2/3 bat.  However, you would for a lovely straight grained blade with the same performance.

Have to agree with this. If you cnnot grade a bat on its performance what's the point of taking the time to press bats to the optimum level?????
For years Richard Wensley did that and never sold bats on looks. He had one price for pretty much every bat and knew which bat went the best, if I ever picked up a bat because it looked goof he would always point me to another which had a better response, or visa versa with an uglier bat.

Why has everything changed???

My match bat last year was a 6 grainer from Rob, I trusted him when he sent it because he presses the BRa individually and guess what... It's an absolute belter.

I don't know why people get so hung up on looks and grains and edge size etc etc.

And I disagree that a bat maker cannot grade on performance, simply because the man who makes my Bats does it, and if people weren't so hung up on aesthetics they'd see that great bats are missed because they aren't picture perfect!!
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2013, 08:55:41 PM »



I hear grade 1 true grade 1 is getting harder to get.

Does it only matter because of the price or because of the looks....


I've been told the same thing. But again, its down to grading on aesthetics and price always comes into it.

The ones benefiting now are those who grow their own willow. I suppose it also gives them a power to grade how they please, some may take advantage of it, others won't.

All comes down to the manufacturer
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2013, 09:18:58 PM »

I've had SR bats from Laver, which have performed better than some G2 and G1 bats I've had, but I guess I could say the same about other lower graded bats I have experienced. I think that grading on performance is a little misleading, I think that perhaps if there is an extra special bat that isn't a grade 1, then you should put it in a performance grade, but only if there are very few of them. It's basically an easy way to sell G3 bats for G1/2 prices, . I think that you should sell the bats in the grades you buy them as in cleft form, and maybe have G1/2/3 model, then a premium model, which is the very best one or two G1 clefts from a selection of 20 or something. If a bat isn't up to the performance that a G1 should have, then downgrade it. If it performs better than a G3, then keep it as a grade three, or if it is a VERY special one, then put it in a performance grade, which has a price point in between a G1 and G2. (Again, the performance grade has to be very limited in quantity)

Of course, this is my thinking, and I have no clue as to how the bat making industry is run. I only know what I'm told, and that may not be true, and I can only guess as to how much profit there is in bat making. Maybe some bat makers are having to sell more performance graded bats because they wouldn't earn enough without that kind of advertising. :-[
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2013, 10:17:38 PM »

I have two Screaming Cats and I sort of agree with Tim.

I have always said that irrespectively the grade, each bat will play as well as another at one point. The peak take time for fewer grain ones but the performance at its peak would be same as Grade1 more grain ones. That's my observation after going through heaps of bats.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2013, 06:19:27 AM »

It's just a fashion thing, grains are in this summer.

No doubt we'll be going back to bleached bats in another 10 years. "15 straight grains, but its unbleached so it's only grade 2"

Bats can only ever be graded on looks, but I agree that if a batmaker finds a knotty 5 grainer that he's pressed to perfection and it goes like a rocket (off the mallet), they should be allowed to charge a little extra for it.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2013, 06:48:11 AM »



I hear grade 1 true grade 1 is getting harder to get.

Does it only matter because of the price or because of the looks....


When you purchase a bulk cleft order from JS Wrights only 4% will be true grade one willow, the grade one clefts are getting harder and harder to come by and that 4% will drop further over the coming years.

I do sort of agree with there being no performance willow,one thing on this though is that I have seen first hand Andrew Kember go through 25+ clefts knocking them with a mallet etc to find the one that is suitable for a players grade for example.  Now there may be an argument that this will play no better in the long run as a performance grade bat, but there is a noticeable difference between clefts of the mallet at the start. So if something goes like a train from ball 1 does that bat then become a performance bat?
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