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[tim2000s]

Low density and high density. Performance willow. Grading.

But which batmaker has a very heavy cleft that they don't think they could sell and can make me a properly pressed and shaped bat that weighs in at 2lb 10oz fully dressed, but which is going to have 1970's dimensions? I'll send you photos of the shape I'd like...

I can then use it in the nets, and give my opinion over whether cleft density really matters. I have some opinions, but I'd like to give it a shot.

[mad_abt_cricket]

I have got some pretty heavy clefts, I bought as grade 1. It doesn't matter what I think of them as a batmaker but what matter is what the buyer is willing to buy and what are his specifications.
Usual demands start with dead weight and then edge size, spine size and much more apart from the desired profile, leaving very little in the hands of a batmaker.

[trypewriter]

Low density and high density. Performance willow. Grading.

But which batmaker has a very heavy cleft that they don't think they could sell and can make me a properly pressed and shaped bat that weighs in at 2lb 10oz fully dressed, but which is going to have 1970's dimensions? I'll send you photos of the shape I'd like...

I can then use it in the nets, and give my opinion over whether cleft density really matters. I have some opinions, but I'd like to give it a shot.

Now THAT is an interesting project.

[tim2000s]

If i didn't make it clear, I am willing to pay for the bat... If there any takers with a particularly dense cleft...

[mad_abt_cricket]

3 lb 7.4 ounce part made cleft with 35 mm edges and 60 mm spine in it's current state. Since it's a part made, plenty of wood is already taken out. Supplied to me as grade 1  pressed really well though.

[Simmy]

ryan has a stupid heavy cleft!!! he wont sell but this might be up to the job

[Ryan]

ryan has a stupid heavy cleft!!! he wont sell but this might be up to the job

I'd of given you it Tim but I've promised it to Dave...sorry

[SillyShilly]

I have a cleft that would fit the bill - drop me a pm if you're interested. As a 'modern' batmaker, it would be a genuine challenge to recreate a shape that isn't widely seen or used nowadays.

[Simmy]

any pics of your skills dom?

[SillyShilly]

I'm generally not a huge picture taker -  will get some up on a separate topic in the not so distant future, some of the workshop, stickers and setup etc. don't want to hi-jack tims thread though. Be interested to hear Tims theory on why he is doing this....is there method behind the madness?

[Vulcan Cricket]

tim give gary a call he will make you one as that was right in time when i was working at county

[tim2000s]

I'm generally not a huge picture taker -  will get some up on a separate topic in the not so distant future, some of the workshop, stickers and setup etc. don't want to hi-jack tims thread though. Be interested to hear Tims theory on why he is doing this....is there method behind the madness?

From discussions with various people, willow in a bat is effectively a hard trampoline layer with a drum underneath it created by the tubes that are the fibres of the wood. In a more dense cleft, these fibres a presumably smaller and more tightly packed.

Conservation of momentum is achieved transferring energy on impact.

Theoretically, two bats of similar weight and with a profile that is consistent should allow this to take place in a similar fashion, but in doing this we get to find out whether cleft density really is important in bat performance because if we are taking a very extreme version of dense, and it performs then we know that bat (and therefore swing) weight is more important than the willow.

of course, pressing is important in this and the pressing on the cleft needs to be what the batmaker considers to be optimum .

[tim2000s]

Right then. I have a bat made from denser willow on the way... This will be interesting!

[Beaup123]

Please make sure you tell us the result this is something I have been thinking aswell

[tim2000s]

Phase two of this little project has arrived with the bat being made according to the model, which is the Laver and wood Heritage. The two bats are 0.2 ounces apart in weight, but the dense willow has created something with a very different size.

On bouncing a ball and mallet on them there is not a vast amount of difference, which knocking in may change. So, the little challenge gets a whole lot more interesting.