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Dilemma for junior cricketer
« on: May 09, 2013, 07:54:37 AM »

Hi all.

Advice needed please. As father of young enthusiastic cricketer (equally keen on batting & bowling), I am wondering if I should move him to another team or even to another club.

The dilemma is: he plays in the A team for his age level. However there are several teammates of his who are a notch above in quality e.g. they are regional/county standard. Those are the kids who occupy the higher batting positions and also do the bulk of the bowling. Therefore my son gets very limited opportunities to bat/bowl in matches. I am therefore thinking that he should drop out of the team.

Though he is happy and gets on very well with his teammates, he is getting frustrated at not getting a bat and not getting more of a bowl. He has trained hard all winter to prepare for the season, but now spends most matches either waiting for a turn to bat (and perhaps gets an over or two to bat at the end of the innings) or in the field (hoping he is entrusted with an over or two to bowl).

I don’t dispute that the other kids are stronger in ability. And if the success of the team is paramount, I understand/accept the team selection decisions. However, my interest is selfish – I care more about his own development than the success of the team. Frankly speaking, I’d rather he did well and team lost than the team won with no contribution from him. That sounds really harsh, I know – sorry!!

For the development of my son, I believe would it be better to have him dropdown into the B team, where he will probably have more opportunities to bat in a higher position and also bowl more overs. The down side is that he will be playing with/against kids of lesser abilities (and concentration/behaviour levels). I suppose his ego will be dented also dropping down a level – so that could be difficult to handle.

Alternatively, perhaps if he were moved to a ‘weaker’ club (where he would be then in the strong category of players), he would then have more chances to play, learn and develop, and would have a chance to be ‘top dog’ and enjoy the limelight.

Or I could just say to him to keep his head down, train twice as hard, and reassure him to trust that opportunities will eventually come, just be patient.

Any advice for a confused parent?
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 07:59:00 AM »

Not sure it really depends what he wants to do
But I don't think dropping him down would be not very good because he isn't really going to improve as much
In the end it is up to him if he likes the team I think the last option is a very good idea
Hope this helped
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 08:17:41 AM »

this is very difficult. He's bound to improve by batting/bowling more, and on the batting front there will come a time when the big guns fail and responsibility will fall on him, and with lack of time in the middle that is a huge ask for anyone.
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2013, 08:25:39 AM »

The problem I find with cricket is that although it is 11 v 11 it is really a one v one game .... Batsmen v bowler .... So just being in a good team is not going to allow you to improve individually as you won't actually do anything. Unlike football and rugby where you are always involved in the game in you own one v one battle so you can improve drastically even though you aren't one of the main players ie you are not Rooney or van Persie but you are Tom cleverly who is quietly improving under the radar.

My advice would be to move where you are guaranteed to bat and bowl but do it in the best league, even if it means your team doesn't win trophies.

The danger with kids is that they are separated from their mates, they keep losing and then lose interest.

How old is he?
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2013, 08:32:28 AM »

He is in U11 age group. Still very young, I know....!

The other issue with moving down a level is that the number of wides will dramatically increase. I see that when our club plays against weaker teams, the number of wides bowled by inferior sides is enormous (one or two wides an over, so over 20 overs, that equates to a lot of runs...and significantly few opportunities for the batsman to reach the ball, let alone play a shot)!
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2013, 08:34:52 AM »

exactly in lower grades this can increase to 3-4 wides an over
For his benefit he should stay in the higher grade
It is up to him if he changes team or stays where he is

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 09:13:42 AM »

At this stage, he should stay where he is I think (chances are he would not be allowed to move mid-season anyway) because he is playing with his friends in a successful team - you should encourage him to work as hard as he wants on his game, whilst having a gentle word withteh coach not to criticise their efforts (I coach junior teams and it is a really tough job keeping everyone happy) but to encourage them to try and get him as involved as possible where it doesn't affect the team - some coaches with strong sides get so obsessed with winning that they forget they can often win a bit slower and share teh game around more.

Next year he'll move up to Under 13s and that is when you need to think about what squad he is in...
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 09:18:57 AM »

Hi Papa,

this is an interesting dilemma you face.

I'm an under 11 coach in the Australian system and i think our setup would be perfect for your son, however probably to the detriment of the game (unfortunately). Our junior program works on a rotation policy, so everyone gets an opportunity to bat and bowl during the course of a game. We play 25 overs a side and each child must bowl at least 2 overs each. With the batting side of things, every batsmen gets 12 legitimate balls each (not including wides, no balls, etc), then they have to retire and let the next batsmen come in. Once retired you can resume your batting if other batsmen get out and your team needs you at the end of the innings. Each week, every player must rotate positions to experience every role possible in a game.

Now this may sound ideal, as it gives every child the opportunity to participate in a game and improve in match situations, however in reality it frustrates the life out of me and i personally don't think it works. I think it breeds mediocrity as it rewards the week and punishes the strong, with the weak not expecting to earn their position in the team. Additionally, the best players miss out on opportunities to excel and can become frustrated and disillusioned with the sport because results don't pan out the way they should. It keeps the weaker playing in the sport longer, who probably don't have the passion to be a long term player.  If you make life easier for the children and give it to them on a plate, they will not grow as individuals or athletes...... Survival of the fittest (natural selection), so to speak.

I think every child needs to earn his position in a team and by being exposed against and playing with better players, this will eventually make your child stronger and more competitive in the long run. I have purposely enrolled my child out of his age group and he is playing with children older than he is. He has adapted well and is very competitive with the older boys and more than holds his own, even though he is one of the skinniest kids in the team. In saying this, if he played in his own age group he would most likely be in the best 2, however i would prefer to challenge him as i think it will benefit him when he rises up through the ranks.

My advise, is to keep him where he is if he is enjoying himself and give him extra private training in between so he improves with the additional practice. Only move him to another club if he gets frustrated with the sport and wants to give it up. You will find if he has a competitive streak, he will naturally rise to the challenge when given an opportunity.... lets not also forget, with children of this age there can be massive differences in physique and size causing disparities in performances and this will differ as each year goes by....... the big fat lad usually dominates early on, then falls away when the skinny athletic lad gets stronger as he gets older.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 09:25:23 AM »

At this stage, he should stay where he is I think (chances are he would not be allowed to move mid-season anyway) because he is playing with his friends in a successful team - you should encourage him to work as hard as he wants on his game, whilst having a gentle word withteh coach not to criticise their efforts (I coach junior teams and it is a really tough job keeping everyone happy) but to encourage them to try and get him as involved as possible where it doesn't affect the team - some coaches with strong sides get so obsessed with winning that they forget they can often win a bit slower and share teh game around more.

Next year he'll move up to Under 13s and that is when you need to think about what squad he is in...

Yes, good point. I forget to add this into my comments as well. A good coach will always identify emerging talent in a team and help develop this for the long term benefit of the club. As mentioned above, during the course of a game there will always be opportunities to introduce fringe players to have their say in the outcome of a game, in turn lifting their confidence and growing them as players.

When the team rises up through the age groups you need a complete team equally performing, because 4 or 5 individuals will never make a great team.
Coaches can be short sited, however the best coaches will aim to develop all the children to their best ability.
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2013, 10:56:19 AM »

As both a coach & father of a son in a similar situation I'd be inclined to let him enjoy his cricket this season & review it all going into 2014.
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 11:51:37 AM »

i was in a similar situation (as a player), at the end of the day its his choice, If you do put him in a new team you want him to be playing in a team which was mid-table (keep the season really interesting), too low and he won't enjoy it. And he should not be afraid to open the batting, a lot of younger players make too much of a deal of opening the batting, it is where he will get the most opportunities.
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 11:54:37 AM »

Yes, good point. I forget to add this into my comments as well. A good coach will always identify emerging talent in a team and help develop this for the long term benefit of the club. As mentioned above, during the course of a game there will always be opportunities to introduce fringe players to have their say in the outcome of a game, in turn lifting their confidence and growing them as players.

When the team rises up through the age groups you need a complete team equally performing, because 4 or 5 individuals will never make a great team.
Coaches can be short sited, however the best coaches will aim to develop all the children to their best ability.

Agreed.  I know the best team I've had had one "star" player - a First XI standard batsman, gun fielder and decent leg spinner at 14.  But the rest of the lads roatated around, so that we had seven or eight who were capable of bowling at any stage and batted down to eight or nine as well.  There is an art to it - and you have to accept that you might get it wrong on the odd occasion (I once had a kid who thought this was his "big chance" block out seven straight maidens) - but tthe club as a whole benefits as a result.
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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 12:09:36 PM »

Hi

As a father of a 12 year old myself I understand your concerns, however I'm not sure that I agree with some of your points; I don't believe in the "prizes for all" approach and feel that everyone should earn their place in the team. For boys of this age winning is important, its generally the parents of the losing side who say its the taking part that counts! Your son is probably enjoying the success of the team and I'm sure that his cricket will improve by playing with stronger players, if he plays well he may well work himself up the order. A few thoughts though:

1. When my son was playing u11 club cricket it was pairs, only district, county and school played full cricket so everyone got an opportunity to bat and bowl
2. At my sons club the coach knew when we were playing weaker sides and gave the younger/less experienced players a chance to shine
3. You might find that he would get more opportunities by joining a weaker club where he could be key player. I would think long and hard before doing this as he would be leaving his friends and if they constantly lose he may get dispirited and give up the game.

Good luck and I hope he has a great season.

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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 12:21:40 PM »

My thoughts although it comes from exactly 0% coaching or kid experience.

Lay out the options for your son see what his opinion is?

Also are their any days where the 2XI may play, or a sunday team may play where he isn't currently playing but could do?

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Re: Dilemma for junior cricketer
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2013, 12:23:29 PM »

I think an Under 11 might be a bit young for that ;)
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