Topic: Visiting (and stocking) H4L (Read 21025 times)

GarrettJ · « **Reply #90 on:** July 11, 2013, 01:05:06 PM »

I dont understand this heartwood arguement.

The Newbery Cenkos for �1000 has heartwood on it?!?!?!?!!?

check it out here http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=13817.150

Jogetnz · « **Reply #91 on:** July 11, 2013, 01:09:05 PM »

Just checked out the site and am now a little confused, some bats you can select Pro, G1 or G2 and on others you can select LE, 5 star or 3 star. Suspect they both mean the same but maybe one is used for grading of their own willow.

Also I had thought that they used only their own willow but I see it states they get it from JS Wrights as well as their own.

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #92 on:** July 11, 2013, 01:29:55 PM »

Quote from: GarrettJ on July 11, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

I dont understand this heartwood arguement.

The Newbery Cenkos for �1000 has heartwood on it?!?!?!?!!?

check it out here http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=13817.150

Argument isn't HW, its that the face doesn't look like a evenly spaced grains and appealing (That is just my opinion) or what you would describe as good looking. Cenkos example is a good one but look the grains, their spacing and straightness of them. Considering I just saw multigrainer MSR with HW that looked better for 90GBP and graded as grade 3 makes you question doesn't it?

GarrettJ · « **Reply #93 on:** July 11, 2013, 02:13:05 PM »

your referring to the Hattori bat in previous pics? I agree doesnt look like pro but maybe it is very very light?

H4L are superb bats so i would trust the Pro sticker very much over the looks

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #94 on:** July 11, 2013, 02:19:32 PM »

Quote from: GarrettJ on July 11, 2013, 02:13:05 PM

your referring to the Hattori bat in previous pics? I agree doesnt look like pro but maybe it is very very light?

H4L are superb bats so i would trust the Pro sticker very much over the looks

Yeah Pro stickered Hattori, I love H4L and RP bats so much to that I would buy them blind but reason I questioned this was back in the day when I was seriously considering between pro and G1 they clarified Pro is only pro in terms of looks but no better than say a G1 in terms of performance. Anyways moot point Matt is much better judge of willow than I ever will be, I have taken this off topic a bit so apologies for that.

mattw · « **Reply #95 on:** July 11, 2013, 02:41:35 PM »

Quote from: Jogetnz on July 11, 2013, 01:09:05 PM

Also I had thought that they used only their own willow but I see it states they get it from JS Wrights as well as their own.

I also heard they got their willow from somewhere else... but what does it really matter where it's from?

ItsJustCricket · « **Reply #96 on:** July 11, 2013, 04:07:10 PM »

Tushar, in your original post, you didn't say anything about uneven grains, just heartwood. Not sure why you don't think this looks like a Pro grade bat though. We will have to agree to disagree as I think the grains are pretty even, and straight through the toe as well, something you rarely see on anything but top grade bats...

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #97 on:** July 11, 2013, 04:09:46 PM »

Quote from: ItsJustCricket on July 11, 2013, 04:07:10 PM

Tushar, in your original post, you didn't say anything about uneven grains, just heartwood. Not sure why you don't think this looks like a Pro grade bat though. We will have to agree to disagree as I think the grains are pretty even, and straight through the toe as well, something you rarely see on anything but top grade bats...

Apologies for not being clear in what I was trying to get across.

King pair · « **Reply #98 on:** July 11, 2013, 04:15:09 PM »

I personally love heartwood. I think it looks good and it does obviously have its advantages. If I could I would always chose to have a strip on the outside edge of my bat

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #99 on:** July 11, 2013, 04:24:04 PM »

Maybe this will get the point across.

Pin knot & Blemish on the face (Blemish is right under your finger, in other pic where your finger isn't covering the face it is a bit more clearer.)
9 grains in sapwood, 3/4 in HW - unevenly spaced grains
Grains in HW fade in and out, significantly darker in some spots than other.

Vs a Grade 3 MSR

Hits Hard Grade 2

etc..

Quote from: tushar sehgal on November 08, 2012, 02:26:04 PM

so having looked at tempo in the other thread and thinking about buying it I went snooping around on H4L website, again. In terms of willow that you can select the options are G2, G1 & Pro so was hoping you shed some light on you pro willow pls. Is it pro in terms of look, performance & weight (lack of weight) or just performance?

could we see some pics too pls

Quote from: hell4leather cricket on November 08, 2012, 09:49:33 PM

Our pro willow is our best looking clefts (prev limited edition)

Chad · « **Reply #100 on:** July 11, 2013, 04:29:30 PM »

Not sure about heartwood myself, I actually find it a little more brittle than sapwood, always find that cracks tend to happen on the heartwood. Saying that, if you think about cutting a tree, you have quite a significant bit of heartwood in the round, therefore there are bound to be lots of lovely looking and performing clefts with heartwood. I don't really think of it too much, it doesn't seem to affect performance at all!

Lovely looking bats you have Paul, I do agree with Tushar that some of the grains on the heartwood seem a little uneven, but I have no doubt Matt had both performance and looks in mind when grading that a Pro grade.

King pair · « **Reply #101 on:** July 11, 2013, 04:51:46 PM »

That's hits hard is the perfect face of a bat as far as I'm concerned. Can't believe that's grade 2

smokem · « **Reply #102 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:02:54 PM »

I'm not sure that particular HitsHard bat is a fair comparison. Since it's owned by someone that works at Salix, it may have been misgraded...

Anyway let's bring this back on topic! I'm looking forward to my first H4L. Let's hope it gets here tomorrow!

ItsJustCricket · « **Reply #103 on:** July 11, 2013, 07:04:06 PM »

Haha the downside of shooting videos in HD - the grains of our bats are clearly going to get scrutinized more than ever!

Comparing this bat to an MSR and Hits Hard is completely ridiculous though, so yes, I agree with Vincent - this needs to get back on topic!

shoab68 · « **Reply #104 on:** July 11, 2013, 07:05:38 PM »

Quote from: tushar sehgal on July 11, 2013, 04:24:04 PM

Maybe this will get the point across.

Pin knot & Blemish on the face (Blemish is right under your finger, in other pic where your finger isn't covering the face it is a bit more clearer.)
9 grains in sapwood, 3/4 in HW - unevenly spaced grains
Grains in HW fade in and out, significantly darker in some spots than other.

Vs a Grade 3 MSR

Hits Hard Grade 2

etc..

Well explained Tushar !! You have a valid point !!

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