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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1560 on: August 23, 2013, 06:11:04 PM »

What a very dull day's cricket... Just goes to show that the bowling selection was totally wrong... Too many pies.

And I think I've worked out why Trott hasn't been batting so well... It's all about the New Balance kit instead of GM!
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1561 on: August 23, 2013, 07:45:36 PM »

What a very dull day's cricket... Just goes to show that the bowling selection was totally wrong... Too many pies.

Not sure I agree. Not on the dull front, but on the bowling selection. The more I think about it the more their selection makes sense. Slow wicket with no life in it, so Tremlett/Finn might not have got any more joy either. If they have concerns that Bresnan won't last the tour its a good chance to have a look at Woakes. He's a like for like replacement although his bowling is not as good but his batting is better. They could have left it at that but its not like Bairstow has shown any form so Woakes couldn't do any worse. Kerrigan also provides extra back up if Woakes couldn't fulfil the 3rd seamer role and with Swann also playing its not like he's being expected to spin England to victory. What they wouldn't have expected though was Kerrigan to have got the yips.   
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1562 on: August 23, 2013, 08:00:01 PM »

I suppose that is fair, no-one wants to see the yips. But in all fairness, while he might be very good in the CC, was he really ready to be bumped up into the test side l, especially given his treatment by Australia in the lions match? I just think his introduction in this match smacked of experimentation for its own sake when Tremlett may have been a better pick, especially with root as an alternative spinner.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1563 on: August 23, 2013, 08:10:18 PM »

All this talk about nervese/yip/pressure etc etc for kerringan. I have just one issue


Root pietersen and trott are picked as batsmen, when there given the ball, they don't throw down that many pies. In fact root got Clark out recently legitimately. And trott did for haddin.

Surely a bowler should be able to bowl to his best ability. Weather he's good enough or not is a different matter,
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1564 on: August 23, 2013, 08:13:33 PM »

I'd agree, and I don't think that when Kerrigan was picked that they expected the filth that he bowled.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1565 on: August 23, 2013, 08:20:11 PM »

Kerrigan did not look comfortable at any stage and didn't have the air of someone at ease with their surroundings. Root is constantly smiling and looks at ease even in a high pressure series and on the back of a few blobs. Kerrigan needs to relax a bit, easily said yes but Root is a prime example of just enjoying the situation regardless.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1566 on: August 23, 2013, 08:22:19 PM »

I suppose that is fair, no-one wants to see the yips. But in all fairness, while he might be very good in the CC, was he really ready to be bumped up into the test side l, especially given his treatment by Australia in the lions match? I just think his introduction in this match smacked of experimentation for its own sake when Tremlett may have been a better pick, especially with root as an alternative spinner.

I agree he's not ready and doesn't show the consistency in selection they have shown in resent times. I think it says a lot about their thinking of Briggs's progress as he seems to be their main A team spinner.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1567 on: August 23, 2013, 10:15:06 PM »

I think Australia's tactics must bare part of the blame. When you have 5 fielders saving 1 and another 3 out on the boundary it doesn't aid high scoring. The plan is to bore england out and to some extent they have been successful. Stick it outside off and wait, and wait and wait. England for their part haven't worked out a way round it, or prefer to wear Australia down. Runs came at Lords in the final session of Day 3 as Australia grew weary and I expect the same here by afternoon or evening, if England are still in. Problem is it makes tedious defensive stalemate cricket in the meantime. Both teams are entitled to do it but it takes a long time before the bowling side cracks.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1568 on: August 24, 2013, 01:35:54 AM »

 Uksaunders I know you are a great patriot but even Kevin was blocking half volleys from Lyon. Explain that. As for fielders saving one, hit over the top. They are international players

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1569 on: August 24, 2013, 03:15:00 AM »

I think Australia's tactics must bare part of the blame. When you have 5 fielders saving 1 and another 3 out on the boundary it doesn't aid high scoring. The plan is to bore england out and to some extent they have been successful. Stick it outside off and wait, and wait and wait. England for their part haven't worked out a way round it, or prefer to wear Australia down. Runs came at Lords in the final session of Day 3 as Australia grew weary and I expect the same here by afternoon or evening, if England are still in. Problem is it makes tedious defensive stalemate cricket in the meantime. Both teams are entitled to do it but it takes a long time before the bowling side cracks.

England have set ultra defensive fields all series, and it is considered "professionalism".

Australia set defensive fields predominantly for Pietersen (who was gently patting away half volleys), yet, they (Australia) must "bare blame".....riiiighhhtt.

England's tactic throughout the series has been to bore Australian batsmen out, as they know Aussies get impatient when they are not hitting boundaries.

England have also (by and large) batted conservatively throughout the series looking to build rather than pillage.

The more professional team has won the series. Easily.

You will not be getting all these dry, dead, spin friendly tracks in Oz though.

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1570 on: August 24, 2013, 06:18:55 AM »

this is a tough argument.

my view is that England should have been more positive. they could easily have avoided the follow on by now, which would have shaped the match.

aus could easily knock our tail over first thing today.

glad I didn't pay to watch yesterday...

something else i am staggered by is both Trott and Clarke's vulnerability to the short ball.

finally I think the toss has had a huge impact on this seried.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1571 on: August 24, 2013, 06:57:16 AM »

Seriously. You guys pay 100gbp to watch this crap. Cook is the worst captain out of all the international teams. Trott is the most boring number 3 , yeah he has an average of 50 but he faces 3000 balls to get there. Anymore test matches like this and test cricket might as well pack up it's bags and leave.

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1572 on: August 24, 2013, 07:10:47 AM »

cook is such a rubbish captain...

so bad that he is yet to loose a series, beat India in India and won the ashes 3-0

no he is good captain with an out of form number 3 who would get into every international team in the world.

and he beat new Zealand too.

all three have supposedly superior captains...
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1573 on: August 24, 2013, 07:13:28 AM »

Seriously. You guys pay 100gbp to watch this crap. Cook is the worst captain out of all the international teams. Trott is the most boring number 3 , yeah he has an average of 50 but he faces 3000 balls to get there. Anymore test matches like this and test cricket might as well pack up it's bags and leave.

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1574 on: August 24, 2013, 07:17:52 AM »

Bad as in lacking flare. I rate Ponting the same way as well. He lost bugger all tests as well but he had a good side like cook does. 





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