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[Vic Nicholas]

I think the difference is that in the late nineties, true pleb access to the internet was much less advanced and ordinary websites didn't have the ability to comment. Internet forums already existed, but numbskulls tended not to populate those... Still, it's not acceptable whoever does it.

The big difference is that even in the 1970's, Australian crowds were egalitarian in their nature with working class/toffs side by side at the cricket with a 50/50 representation of the sexes with young girls in bikinis always a feature.

Watch old 70's early 80's clips of English test ,matches and the crowd is almost exclusively male and middle/upper class. Polite, knowledgeable crowds who would politely applaud Aussie boundaries, wickets and general good play. Since the early 1990's (the Barmy Army retards) there has been an influx of uncouth working class football fans who have started going to English test matches who seem to be less well versed on the finer points of the game. They just go to get boozed up in the sun. Also, belatedly (perhaps since 2005) there has been a greater influx of females at English grounds who look like extras from Geordie shore. So there has been a culture shift as to who actually follows the game - so it is not surprising that some of this dickhead element has found its way onto Guardian/Sun comments section expounding on "their" theories on cricket, however nonsensical they may be.

In SA back in the 70's, the Boer was not so interested in the cricket as his Anglo Saffer counterparts. The Boers tended to be Rugger mad. Nowadays, the Afrikaaners have taken to cricket, but curiously only the one day stuff. The test matches haven't caught their imagination as much, which is a pity as I see the Saffers as being very similar to Aussies in so many ways in attitudes and genetic make up.

[Nickauger]

I agree with Vic wholeheartedly, I think the attitude shown by some (not all) of the English fans has been pretty poor.

1. Did any-one see that bloke petulantly throw the ball on the floor when Faulkener went to retrieve it from the crowd. In all fairness the other England fans around him chastised him massively, but it didn't look good.

2. The response that the umpires got during the presentations from a vast majority of the crowd was disgusting! No excuse for it when the poor blokes were only applying the laws of the game. Yes, common sense should be applied but when it so blatantly favours the batsmen, then there is no way that they could possibly justify keeping the players on the pitch. If the tables had been turned, the english fans would be begging for the umpires to take them off.

3. To listen to some of the delusional English fans talk about how easy it was to beat the Aussies was laughable! Australia were worthy competition and if it weren't for a little bit of luck for us, then it could have easily been 2-2 going into this test and then what would have been said?

4. Clarke has done himself a lot of favours this tour imo. Has come out as an eloquent speaker, and a very good captain with perhaps a lesser, and less experienced battery of players.

5. Stupid blinkered fans that think it's a good thing to win 4-0. These muppets don't understand that test cricket needs a competitive series in the Ashes. Its the only test series with any importance placed on it. Us English get on our high horse about test cricket being the only cricket worth watching, yet it wasn't before 2005, and it won't be if England win the next 5 series!

I am hugely embaressed by this whole view and hope that Aus put up a huge display that they have been threatening down under, and while I hope England win, I hope its 2-1, and will (honestly) not be too disappointed if Aus win. As long as its a good series I think cricket needs to be the winner

The big difference is that even in the 1970's, Australian crowds were egalitarian in their nature with working class/toffs side by side at the cricket with a 50/50 representation of the sexes with young girls in bikinis always a feature.

Watch old 70's early 80's clips of English test ,matches and the crowd is almost exclusively male and middle/upper class. Polite, knowledgeable crowds who would politely applaud Aussie boundaries, wickets and general good play. Since the early 1990's (the Barmy Army retards) there has been an influx of uncouth working class football fans who have started going to English test matches who seem to be less well versed on the finer points of the game. They just go to get boozed up in the sun. Also, belatedly (perhaps since 2005) there has been a greater influx of females at English grounds who look like extras from Geordie shore. So there has been a culture shift as to who actually follows the game - so it is not surprising that some of this dickhead element has found its way onto Guardian/Sun comments section expounding on "their" theories on cricket, however nonsensical they may be.

In SA back in the 70's, the Boer was not so interested in the cricket as his Anglo Saffer counterparts. The Boers tended to be Rugger mad. Nowadays, the Afrikaaners have taken to cricket, but curiously only the one day stuff. The test matches haven't caught their imagination as much, which is a pity as I see the Saffers as being very similar to Aussies in so many ways in attitudes and genetic make up.

Also 100% agree with this, although I'm not sure that the Aussie crowds of the 70's/80's were that angelic. I've heard a lot of stories about racial aggravation against the great west indies sides of that era. But I wasn't there so can't say for definite lol.

[procricket]

Bloody hell it the royal family and why some gadgy can't be called Something.

Australia for so long had the superior attitude big time from the overseas players to the fans who came to watch.

The truth is listen to anymore smug Shane Warne will just about finish my love of Australia off.

But what do I know I'm  just a paid up member of the barmy army

End of the day 3-0 in your cup final all there is to say

[petehosk]

Vic - now be a good boy and go and edit your original post and remove the F words please!
I understand you were angry with some of the pathetic comments made as you quoted.....but you can surely make the point without swearing and bringing yourself down to their levels of mentality?
Plus please be aware that continued swearing or attempts to dodge the swear filter will earn you a warning or ban!
So would appreciate the edit of your post fella?

[Vic Nicholas]

I agree with Vic wholeheartedly, I think the attitude shown by some (not all) of the English fans has been pretty poor.

1. Did any-one see that bloke petulantly throw the ball on the floor when Faulkener went to retrieve it from the crowd. In all fairness the other England fans around him chastised him massively, but it didn't look good.

2. The response that the umpires got during the presentations from a vast majority of the crowd was disgusting! No excuse for it when the poor blokes were only applying the laws of the game. Yes, common sense should be applied but when it so blatantly favours the batsmen, then there is no way that they could possibly justify keeping the players on the pitch. If the tables had been turned, the english fans would be begging for the umpires to take them off.

3. To listen to some of the delusional English fans talk about how easy it was to beat the Aussies was laughable! Australia were worthy competition and if it weren't for a little bit of luck for us, then it could have easily been 2-2 going into this test and then what would have been said?

4. Clarke has done himself a lot of favours this tour imo. Has come out as an eloquent speaker, and a very good captain with perhaps a lesser, and less experienced battery of players.

5. Stupid blinkered fans that think it's a good thing to win 4-0. These muppets don't understand that test cricket needs a competitive series in the Ashes. Its the only test series with any importance placed on it. Us English get on our high horse about test cricket being the only cricket worth watching, yet it wasn't before 2005, and it won't be if England win the next 5 series!

I am hugely embaressed by this whole view and hope that Aus put up a huge display that they have been threatening down under, and while I hope England win, I hope its 2-1, and will (honestly) not be too disappointed if Aus win. As long as its a good series I think cricket needs to be the winner

Also 100% agree with this, although I'm not sure that the Aussie crowds of the 70's/80's were that angelic. I've heard a lot of stories about racial aggravation against the great west indies sides of that era. But I wasn't there so can't say for definite lol.

Errr, I said English crowds in the 70's/80's were knowledgeable, politely applauding Aussie boundaries, wickets etc which they DON'T do now.

I never said Aussie crowds were "nice"....in fact they were a lot worse than now. They used to chant "KILL, KILL, KILL!" when Thommo used to run in to bowl! They would also heckle slow batting etc.

The racist stuff is a misnomer to be honest...very little of it was actually around. In fact THE most popular touring team was the West Indies who toured here nearly every year....1975/76, 1979/80, 1980/81, 1984/85. They were much loved and EVERY kid I knew wanted to be Viv Richards, Michael  Holding or Joel Garner.

When the Indians toured here in 1977/78, they were extremely popular as well...so this crap that Aussie crowds were racist then is BS, because I never heard any racist chants or signs etc. Were there some bigoted comments...yeah, the odd drunk would say something inappropriate, but it wasn't a common occurrence.

[Vic Nicholas]

Following on from above, the West Indies were not only popular with the cricket crowds in Australia those days, they also rooted half the Aussie female population! The Windies were regularly seen at night clubs surrounded by young blondes like rockstars!

So if Australia was so racist, why did many of these blokes get married to Aussie birds...or at the least have Aussie girlfriends?

[Tail Ender]

the odd drunk would say something inappropriate, but it wasn't a common occurrence.

I agree with this. In 16 years attending Test matches in Perth, I can only recall one instance where someone in the crowd has said something racially unsavory to an opposition player and that was the most recent Test against South Africa. A bloke in the same block as me was having some banter with Vernon Philander and then out of nowhere he called him a "big kaffir". Everyone around him turned on him though, and he was quickly booted from the venue. It's not a rampant problem, you might get a few moronic individuals, as you do everywhere. And the fact everyone around him stood up to him and got him thrown out shows that it's not a prevailing attitude and it's not accepted behaviour.

[Vic Nicholas]

Have a look at this clip from 1977 World Series Cricket...when Wayne Daniel smokes a six off the 3rd last ball to win the one dayer, the West Indies dressing room goes nots and there is a whole heap of Aussie girl friends in there with them.

Aussies racist eh?

Wayne Daniel winning six at VFL Park, World Series Cricket 24 Jan 1978

[Vic Nicholas]

Of course, Aussies are deeply racist.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/cricket-great-wasim-akram-ties-knot-with-melbourne-woman-shaniera-thompson/story-e6frfmq9-1226701674621

[Vic Nicholas]

This article from 1972 shows the vile, disgusting, racist Aussie crowds and how they treated Bishen Bedi:

[Vic Nicholas]

Another example of Aussies racists hounding a West Indian cricketer:

GARY SOBERS WEDDING 1969

[Old boy]

Following on from above, the West Indies were not only popular with the cricket crowds in Australia those days, they also rooted half the Aussie female population! The Windies were regularly seen at night clubs surrounded by young blondes like rockstars!

So if Australia was so racist, why did many of these blokes get married to Aussie birds...or at the least have Aussie girlfriends?

I heard a story about one of the partners of an australian batsman asked Joel Garner if it was true that a mans height was related to the size of his manhood? To which Garner replied " if it was I would be 10ft tall!"

[Nickauger]

Jesus Christ Vic! I mentioned one time that I remember reading about! You're clearly answering your own question, its not all fans, its just a small number! Get over yourself, and go back to licking your wounds! I was trying to agree with you, but I won't bother if you're just going to tear every-one's opinions apart. Go back to being one man against the world if you want!

[Vic Nicholas]

Jesus Christ Vic! I mentioned one time that I remember reading about! You're clearly answering your own question, its not all fans, its just a small number! Get over yourself, and go back to licking your wounds! I was trying to agree with you, but I won't bother if you're just going to tear every-one's opinions apart. Go back to being one man against the world if you want!

Steady on mate, I wasn't "tearing" your argument apart...I just get annoyed when it is an accepted "fact" in England that Australia is a racist country.

In 2011 there were race riots that ripped the UK apart from north to south...I have never seen anything like that in Australia, yet Australia is "racist" and the UK is a sanctuary for all and a mixed race utopia?

[Vic Nicholas]

I heard a story about one of the partners of an australian batsman asked Joel Garner if it was true that a mans height was related to the size of his manhood? To which Garner replied " if it was I would be 10ft tall!"

Joel Garner was on fire in Australia...he also did well on the field too!