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kaz

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Delamination
« on: August 09, 2013, 04:25:45 PM »

Can I get some information about delamination? Does a bat "opening up" mean its delaminating? Is it good? bad? I've used the search button and got quite few opposing views.

Reason I'm asking this is I've recently sold a bat on in a swap deal. The bat was in relatively used condition (in nets/ not matches) and is genuinely the best performing bat I have (I've sold it on because of its shape/weight). It makes a very distinct sound against leather and pings unbelievably well. The person who's gotten is saying its delaminated. What should I do?
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2013, 04:32:27 PM »

I think Delamination occurs when the face starts to lift from the bat. Around 1cm or so down into the face. Often individual grains lift in strips and the way to fix it is to glue down the strips, not easy if it hasn't lifted from the toe upwards. Normally it makes a hollow sound.

Somebody posted some pics of delamination on a bat.
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »

Here's some info from Jason of CSO -

cricket bats and de-lamination of the face...a video you all should watch...cos i use my Go Pro
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2013, 04:40:44 PM »

thanks for your views guys. Further on that - is delamination part of every bat as it gets used? Why is delamination bad?
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2013, 04:54:14 PM »

thanks for your views guys. Further on that - is delamination part of every bat as it gets used? Why is delamination bad?

don't think it happens to every bat. Often bats that are starting to delaminate perform really well to a point but eventually if left unrepaired the bat will break or stop performing.
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 10:02:01 PM »

So is delamination repairable? I've just taken the scuff sheet of mine and discovered two surface cracks and it making the noise the video described above. Is it worth sending it off to get it looked at or is it an excuse to buy a new wand?
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 10:22:17 PM »

My view on delamination is that it's a fault in the manufacturing process and you would notice this quite soon after playing with a new bat.  The surface of the bat starts to lift up, and it doesn't necessarily come with cracking.  It could possibly be repaired by taking the surface layer off, re-sanding etc, but the batmakers would know better than me.

The other sort of delamination which has been discussed on the forum is just natural wear of a well performing bat, where the surface cracks along the grains and sometimes across them, but this is not the same as the surface lifting off, and is not a fault, and I wouldn't even call it delamination.

Hopefully, the above makes sense
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 11:19:10 PM »

This is the exact sound coming out of my bat .. and i was wondering what happened to the sweet spot. My bought my bat a month ago, so it is surely not the wearing of the bat. Wonder what caused it !!
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 12:38:57 AM »

Insufficient/Improper pressing can also lead to delamination. That is my view on this.
Other scenario is what we saw on Clarke's bat after good usage.
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2013, 01:03:36 AM »

My GM Cannon Original delaminated really badly  :( :( :(
It was an absolute pinging monster and from what I've read on this forum, de-lamination it the sign of an absolute stonker of a bat. I will have to wholeheartedly agree with this.
Sadly my Cannon lost all it's oomph, the surface was visibly bouncing under finger pressure by about 2mm across an area about 2" wide and 9" long. So basically the whole middle.
Tried drilling holes and gluing but that only lasted about 2 balls so ended up retiring her and using my Warsop. A copy of the Cannon.
After a few months I did plane the face off to clean willow, took about 1/4" off. Have used it a few times in nets and found I had tremendous bat speed but very little middle to back it up.
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2013, 01:39:48 AM »

I would send it back once it is confirmed that what i am seeing is delamination and not something else. And yes you are right, the middle looks so spongy with minimal power. I thought the scuff sheet has come loose and thats whats causing the sound which is quite similar to the ball hitting the loose scuff sheet.

Anyways ill see if I can post a video of the sound it is making for you guys to judge.
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Re: Delamination
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2013, 09:10:00 AM »

True delaminnation from use is a great process (means you keep hitting it in the same place!), i think a bat plays the best of its life just on the edge of this process. like other have said if the delamination is in the toe of the bat this can be down to too much mosture in the toe via "tapping" and the fibres lifting.

Delamination is contributed by not having enough mosture in the wood for the fibres to "lay" back after the trampoline effect and the bat splits internally a bit of beewax mixed with some linseed oil is a lovely little treatment ;-)

little and often

just my veiw
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