How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
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Hayden2012

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How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« on: August 27, 2013, 10:56:20 PM »

Hi guys,
Continuing on with my last post in relation to misleading advertising , does any player actually use off the rack bats ?
I know this may come across trivial but it isn't.A cricket bat is a large investment, therefore it should be what the manufacturer claims it go be, that is as used by a player.Obviously not this exact bat in your hand , but it should come off the exact same rack as what the player chooses from, exact to the millimetre, exact same wood.
Lets be fair here , when bat makers say " as used" it should be exactly the same.
Within Australia , the trade practices act forbids misleading advertising.Clearly a players using willow ,even  a different shape to that of a rack bat is Wrong.It makes no difference whether a business intended to mislead you or not. If the overall impression left by a business’s advertisement, promotion, quotation, statement or other representation creates a misleading impression in your mind—such as to the price, value or the quality of any goods and services—then the behaviour is likely to breach the law.
Personally I think this practice needs to stop- it is the consumer who is missing out big time. A product has to be what it says it is, can u imagine the outcry if someone came and said that the bat they use is nowhere near the bat thousands of mislead consumers have been buying.Fairness goes both ways .
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013, 11:04:13 PM »

the majority of pro's dont use the bats they are stickered up with. Is just how it is, they have their private bat makers who know exactly what they want. Might be misleading but everyone knows this so i dont think there is an outcry here
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2013, 11:06:45 PM »

You would be surprised how many people don't know, and regardless of whether its acceptable or not it is wrong!
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 11:07:54 PM »

Al very well, but you can buy the exact same bat that Cook users from GN. It will just cost you £500. Alternatively you can buy one that looks the same for between £80 and £350....
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 11:08:48 PM »

Ian Bells bat with Menace stickers on it is a Menace, by very definition. Everyone knows it isn't an off the shelf Menace as the shape is different, but it's not like he is using Gray Nicolls while Kook claim he is using one of their products.

It would be very difficult to prove that pros do not use the same quality as normal players, wood is a natural substance after all.

The manufacturers say 'as used by' when they associate a player with a range of bat. e.g. Cook uses the Oblivion, they don't say he uses an Oblivion LE, or a 4 Star, just an Oblivion. Conceivably, any bat with Oblivion stickers on it meets their claim.

It happens in plenty of other sports too.

The gloves i used to get from Selsport when i was a goalkeeper in the academies/reserves of a couple of football league clubs were a different world compared to the gloves you can buy in shops. Much much softer latex palms that lasted me 4 or 5 games maximum. An off the shelf goalkeeper glove is made of a harder compound, intended to last for a season at least. Similar story with football boots. It's quite well known that Beckham's Adidas Predators were not made from the same material as the Predators everyone buys.

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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 11:14:39 PM »

The only player I know that ever used an off the rack bat was Bradman, I know that's the fact because I have seen the bat- he walked into a store picked the bat, then went and made over 200 with it , a wizard !
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2013, 11:15:10 PM »

Is a valid point that, i think that unless you actually get handed a bat from a pro's kit bag you will never get the same bats as the pro's...
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 07:12:43 AM »

Michael Vaughan said he used off the shelf bats in matches.

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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 07:21:42 AM »

I think nowadays you've got to think of a bat used by a professional as a billboard. It's simply a vehicle for manufactures to get their brand seen in the media. For example the Eng cricket shirt has a Vodafone sign on it, doesn't mean it is a mobile phone! You also find the wording by advertisers to be 'endorsed by' which to me doesn't mean they use said bat.
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2013, 08:25:07 AM »

Tom who used to work for  Mongoose said that some pros get special treatment (Tresco); others get sent off the shelf to use as they saw fit.
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 08:33:57 AM »

Went to Hawk last year and they showed me a top of the range adidas pellara and KP's match bat that were both in for repair. There was no comparison, KP's bat was much bigger and yet far lighter. I wouldn't be too happy if I'd shelled out £300+ for the inferior off the shelf bat. If they expect us to pay that much it should be fairly close at the very least. 
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 09:03:06 AM »

The only player I know that ever used an off the rack bat was Bradman, I know that's the fact because I have seen the bat- he walked into a store picked the bat, then went and made over 200 with it , a wizard !

I would love to hear this story in full detail.
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 09:34:26 AM »

I think I read that Beckham had a new pair for  every game.
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 10:33:51 AM »

Another one who definitely used them from the rack was Freddie Flintoff - remember seeing him take the plastic wrapping off one as he walked out to bat!
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Re: How many players actually use off the rack bats ?
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2013, 10:54:02 AM »

Another one who definitely used them from the rack was Freddie Flintoff - remember seeing him take the plastic wrapping off one as he walked out to bat!

When he broke his bat against South Africa I remember they ran about 6 bats out to him, all still in the plastic. He just grabbed one and took the plastic off. Clearly he wasn't the fussiest with his bats.

And in answer to the original question I think Swanny uses off the shelf bats.
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