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[Edward Lowy]

So why the decision not to call it Purist 3 or 3.0?

With DXM being CAD based then surely an exact copy of any bat could be made?

We chose to call it Purist, not more much I can add to that.

One of the key points about the DXM process is that the bats produced are extremely consistent. Much more so than any other manufacturer anywhere in the World, and more so than GM in our pre-DXM days. So yes, we can create a digital pattern of anything we choose, but the Purist you may happen to have will be slightly different to the one that somebody else has.

Again, on this retro idea, there is not a single player of ours who is asking for a bat the shape of the original Purist. Rightly or wrongly, the game has changed, players have changed and now take increasing confidence in substantial edges. I am 51 - today as it happens - and if I think back to 1998, I was 36. There are very few things today that I would buy today that would have been the same 15 years ago.

Some folk are in love with the concept of retro. What we are about are the enduring brand values of quality, innovation, relevance and excellence of performance that have typified GM since 1885.

Kind regards

Edward

[Edward Lowy]

To EDWARD,

Well I've got to say I'm overwhelmed by the GM range and love the softs, and the flatter face option however I'm still disappointed about the purist but hey like you say you have the 1885 and halo a go which was basically the same shape, so I think we should forgive you!

Do the original LE pads have padded straps? Just I think this is a huge detail when your paying so much for a pair of pads.

Cheers
Tony

Thanks Toenails!

Yup, comfort straps on OLE D3O, OLE & Original.

Kind regards

Edward

[toenails97]

Thanks Toenails!

Yup, comfort straps on OLE D3O, OLE & Original.

Kind regards

Edward

Thanks for the reply Edward!
Hmmm reckon a pair of original LE pads and Gloves would look nice together

[Edward Lowy]

Has Edward not fully explained this already? You seem keen to keep chipping away at any comments Edward makes.
Any GM bat that has been designed with the DXM system can be reproduced again easily. However a bat that hasn't been produced under DXM ie a Purist couldn't be reproduced without a) scanning and coordinating an original Purist bat, or b) producing on CAD from scratch a model of a Purist bat. Neither is something GM is going to do.
Its like saying that because GM have a DXM CAD system surely they could make an exact replica of the Taj Mahal out of willow. Technically it's possible but its not going to happen because it's not viable to do it.

Outstanding answer Jimmy! Much better than mine and for that Sir, an Original bat of your choice is yours with my compliments. Email me at elowy@unicorngroup.com

Remember that me and Mr Fingerz go back a long way, well to last week anyway, and we are not really seeing eye to eye!

Kind regards

Edward

[Edward Lowy]

Thanks for the reply Edward!
Hmmm reckon a pair of original LE pads and Gloves would look nice together

Good point. One of the reasons why we do not go overboard on personalising any specific item of gloves or pads with garish colour or whizzington whizzola design is so that folk can shop at GM over the years and be confident that this years gloves look good with last years pads.

Some brands forget that.

Kind regards

Edward

[Jimmyg]

[quote author=Chad link=topic=26573.msg416790#msg416790 date=1378910440

I do have a question about the weight differences for a bigger edge, is this because you press the flat faced bats a little harder? I would have thought that if you pressed them with the same force for the flatter face ones, which would mean the edges wouldn't be as compressed but the middle would be just as compressed, which means that you still get the bat at the same weight, just with a thicker edge. Perhaps it's the profile shaping that's slightly different on the CNC, but surely you would get around a 5mm thicker edge from the F2 face compared to the F7 face. I'm just guessing here though...
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I've been pondering the difference face profiles since GM described the F7 face as a lighter weight bat compared to the F2 face options.I had never considered the weight aspect of flat faces before, just that flatter faces means larger edges which means more power to balls hit off centre, which sounds good.
However what GM allude to is that, as you can see on their bat info pages, the spine heights between the different face options seem the same, obviously the edges are bigger on the flat face bat so the bat will be heavier than the curved face option. The F2 has extra wood in the perimeter of the face, which if you are hitting the ball in the centre of the bat isn't doing anything useful apart from adding mass to the bat. In that case the extra mass would be better being added to the back of the bat in extra spine height or less concaving, if you hit balls in the centre of the bat that is! 

[rbblack]

Well Happy Birthday 51st in that case!

[Edward Lowy]

Well Happy Birthday 51st in that case!

Thanks many! 

[sfa82]

Edward, I have a question regarding the Shane Watson Players Edition Zona. To me his Zona has quite a different profile to the 'normal' Zona. Will the players edition thus also be different to the normal Zona? Since it is to his spec I assume it would be.

Thanks
Sedwyn

[Butterfingerz]

Ed, something you mentioned was that the pros are not crying out for that kind of bats any more. Are all bats currently in production to be sold to the public being designed during discussion with your pros? I'm not trolling at all like someone suggested but I think it's a very reasonable question to ask.

[Jimmyg]

Outstanding answer Jimmy! Much better than mine and for that Sir, an Original bat of your choice is yours with my compliments. Email me at elowy@unicorngroup.com

Remember that me and Mr Fingerz go back a long way, well to last week anyway, and we are not really seeing eye to eye!

Kind regards

Edward

Thanks Edward,
Very generous, you are going to make my son very happy indeed, I've been looking for a new bat for him today, looks like I can stop looking!
James

[Edward Lowy]

I've been pondering the difference face profiles since GM described the F7 face as a lighter weight bat compared to the F2 face options.I had never considered the weight aspect of flat faces before, just that flatter faces means larger edges which means more power to balls hit off centre, which sounds good.
However what GM allude to is that, as you can see on their bat info pages, the spine heights between the different face options seem the same, obviously the edges are bigger on the flat face bat so the bat will be heavier than the curved face option. The F2 has extra wood in the perimeter of the face, which if you are hitting the ball in the centre of the bat isn't doing anything useful apart from adding mass to the bat. In that case the extra mass would be better being added to the back of the bat in extra spine height or less concaving, if you hit balls in the centre of the bat that is!

Unfortunately not Jimmy, as according to GarrettJ last week, it's all just a fad about big edges.

Alternatively, you clearly understand what we are doing. Our research indicates that the flatter the face of the bat, the more torque is induced when bat hits ball. That manifests itself to the player as a less pleasant, less desirable feel in play. Conversely a larger radiused bat such as F7 imparts more spin to the ball on impact, the energy being dissipated less through torque - this gives a better feel to the player.

The reality is of course that few players consistently hit the ball as often as they would like, so a thicker profile across the section of the bat (ie a flatter face) may give them better results. What we call enhanced shot choice in answer to a question above.

I like your analysis, many thanks

Kind regards

Edward

[Butterfingerz]

Outstanding answer Jimmy! Much better than mine and for that Sir, an Original bat of your choice is yours with my compliments. Email me at elowy@unicorngroup.com

Remember that me and Mr Fingerz go back a long way, well to last week anyway, and we are not really seeing eye to eye!

Kind regards

Edward

Jimmyg - my post was made after it had been said the bat could be recreated by hand however GM's process had changed since.

Ed - personally I thought your reply was the perfect answer

[Chad]

[quote author=Chad link=topic=26573.msg416790#msg416790 date=1378910440

I do have a question about the weight differences for a bigger edge, is this because you press the flat faced bats a little harder? I would have thought that if you pressed them with the same force for the flatter face ones, which would mean the edges wouldn't be as compressed but the middle would be just as compressed, which means that you still get the bat at the same weight, just with a thicker edge. Perhaps it's the profile shaping that's slightly different on the CNC, but surely you would get around a 5mm thicker edge from the F2 face compared to the F7 face. I'm just guessing here though...


I've been pondering the difference face profiles since GM described the F7 face as a lighter weight bat compared to the F2 face options.I had never considered the weight aspect of flat faces before, just that flatter faces means larger edges which means more power to balls hit off centre, which sounds good.
However what GM allude to is that, as you can see on their bat info pages, the spine heights between the different face options seem the same, obviously the edges are bigger on the flat face bat so the bat will be heavier than the curved face option. The F2 has extra wood in the perimeter of the face, which if you are hitting the ball in the centre of the bat isn't doing anything useful apart from adding mass to the bat. In that case the extra mass would be better being added to the back of the bat in extra spine height or less concaving, if you hit balls in the centre of the bat that is!

Thing is though, the perimeter of an F2 would be less compressed than that of an F7, because of the camber, so it would appear to be bigger, so you would get more volume on the F2 if both were shaped identically on the CNC. This is assuming they are both pressed with the same amount of pressure on the middle. This is just my assumption anyways, and I could be very wrong! I'm assuming there are subtle differences in the F2 shaping compared to the F7.

[Edward Lowy]

Ed, something you mentioned was that the pros are not crying out for that kind of bats any more. Are all bats currently in production to be sold to the public being designed during discussion with your pros? I'm not trolling at all like someone suggested but I think it's a very reasonable question to ask.

We design our bats by injecting our own ideas but also by listening to all feedback from all sources. Pros, trade customers, our staff. Even some forums...

Perfectly reasonable question. Could I have an answer to mine please on videos?

Thanks

Edward