Topic: Round, mixed or flat faced pressing - Which face profile do you prefer? (Read 7949 times)

smilley792 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 16, 2013, 08:22:26 PM »

Salix


Salix cricket bat making video

Doesn't mention it, but the blade is clearly shapped before entering the press.

yogi206 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 18, 2013, 01:34:59 PM »

Salix do use a flat face roller now that has some curve on it and it is about 3 tonnes per square inch of pressure put on as it goes through. but the trick is the preperation to get the performance. anyone who knows salix will tell you..... they are pretty good at it ;-)

GarrettJ · « **Reply #17 on:** September 18, 2013, 01:49:44 PM »

I have heard of companies cutting the bow into a bat rather than it occurring naturally from pressing

Red Ink Cricket · « **Reply #18 on:** September 18, 2013, 01:59:00 PM »

to the best of my knowledge ( i dont own a press although im on the look out for one) every manufacturer will shape the face of the bat to mirror the profile of the roller on the press. it may not be exactly right but it will be pretty close. check out the gray nicolls video and you see it going through flat and coming out with a curved face ( pretty early on - 30-40 secs in) CF has 2 rollers but 3 face profiles. i believe the mixed profile is a combination of both the flat and the curved roller. as charlies press is hydraulic then it maybe easier to control the pressure and make it work? maybe he presses round profile first and then flattens the curve with the flat roller. im not totally sure

if you were to take a flat faced bat and try to press it will a curved roller you would end of with rock solid edges and no pressing on the middle. i would guess the edges would split if you tried to press a curve in a flat profile unless the pressures were very low.

bow on the blades are either shaped or pressed in but i cant imagine anyone would press a flat cleft with a curved roller

dingbatsports · « **Reply #19 on:** September 18, 2013, 02:03:49 PM »

Quote from: Sam on September 16, 2013, 08:14:30 PM

Yeah , I did think back to that video when you mentioned that but I think Nixon and G&M are the only two I have ever heard mention that? I could be completely wrong but I've never seen/heard of anyone else manually curving the edges on a bat.

If we could get some answers from some forum sponsors who own their own presses it could be interesting .

As a very, very small maker, I also have a machine set up to create a convex on the cleft in order to fit perfectly to the profile of my press

dingbatsports · « **Reply #20 on:** September 18, 2013, 02:07:28 PM »

I have interchangeable nylon rollers on my press. I have a rounded, inbetween, and perfectly flat. Personally I like the inbetween profile

smilley792 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 18, 2013, 02:42:05 PM »

I've just been to b3. they cutter the profile into the bat before pressing.

they also cut the bow in, and confirmed gm do too.

Sam · « **Reply #22 on:** September 18, 2013, 03:18:37 PM »

Yeah , you'd assume with their CNC work that they would! I'd of thought most other people press the bow in. I was wrong with the other thing though

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Red Ink Cricket · « **Reply #23 on:** September 18, 2013, 03:33:16 PM »

The black widow video that was floating around previously shows them shaping the bow rather than pressing it in.

Butterfingerz · « **Reply #24 on:** September 18, 2013, 03:37:44 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on September 18, 2013, 02:42:05 PM

I've just been to b3. they cutter the profile into the bat before pressing.

they also cut the bow in, and confirmed gm do too.

I'm not sure that they cut in the bow as this weakens the face, they do however cut in the profile

Red Ink Cricket · « **Reply #25 on:** September 18, 2013, 03:42:50 PM »

Quote from: Butterfingerz on September 18, 2013, 03:37:44 PM

I'm not sure that they cut in the bow as this weakens the face, they do however cut in the profile

how does it weaken the face? GM have been doing it for years. its cut before its pressed. is clearly shown in part 2 of the bat making process vids on youtube

Butterfingerz · « **Reply #26 on:** September 18, 2013, 03:51:37 PM »

Quote from: Red Ink Cricket on September 18, 2013, 03:42:50 PM

how does it weaken the face? GM have been doing it for years. its cut before its pressed i believe

As it was decribed to me and I dont mean to sound patronising...

Image the bat being like millions of fibre's running vertically down the bat, if you cut into that to create a bow you will cut through the fibre thus weakening the face. The fibres can be teased into a bow shape during pressing but not too much.

To get the massive bow in an Indian bat these are cut in.

smilley792 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 18, 2013, 04:17:54 PM »

Quote from: Butterfingerz on September 18, 2013, 03:37:44 PM

I'm not sure that they cut in the bow as this weakens the face, they do however cut in the profile

When I wrote my reply I was stood in b3, being told they cut the bow in by streaky, the guy that designed and made gm bats for many years before moving to b3.

He also said when I was having my latest bat made, if I wanted exaggerated bow, I would lose edge size and spine height as its cut in. Not pressed.

I have no reason to think he's me telling porkies,

Butterfingerz · « **Reply #28 on:** September 19, 2013, 08:14:29 AM »

I've got to know Streaky quite well over the past 12 months or so. I've just dropped him a line to confirm and he replied...

'We were talking about face profile � so we cut the face to the same dimension as the press roller. Bow is completely different � all pressed in!'

It was Streaky who was telling me about the weakening of the blade by cutting the bow in.

trypewriter · « **Reply #29 on:** September 19, 2013, 09:08:58 AM »

I've recently been using a flat face (but I don't know exactly how flat) with minimal bow and seem to be timing my shots better. Of course, this could be due to better balance of the blade, better pressing, the weight of the bat suiting me more etc. etc.

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Which type of face profile do you prefer?

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