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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 09:38:59 PM »

SOULMAN who do you know at Hartley and bexley as I play for Hartley

Andy Chapman, played with me at Horton Kirkby before joining you guys couple of seasons ago and still plays the odd Sunday for us, love opening the batting with him.

Adam Riley at Bexley (Kent mainly now) played some colt cricket with him.
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 10:14:12 AM »

Problem with the Yorkshire league is the 2nd string teams of those clubs can vary so much. York, for instance, won everything. Their 2nd team is in the York Prem. Castleford first team are in the same Yorkshire League, yet their 2nd team is in York div 5, the same as York's 4th team. So the standard of filling in is a whole different ball game.

Not saying Castleford are bad, just an example how two first teams get such different support from the rest of their clubs.

Not sure if this is still the case, but at one point, one of the criteria for being an ECB Premier League was to have a 2nd XI's league. But Yorkshire, being Yorkshire we able to be exempt from this.

I played Yorkshire league and a lot of what was the Riding's League (old Yorkshire league 2nd XI's league) - travelling from Cleethorpes to Harrogate for a 1st team game, and testing yourself against the cream of amatuer cricketers made the trip worth while, but making the same trip for 2nd XI games was a ball ache. The standard in the Riding's league fluctuated massively - the likes of Sheffield United and Castleford always turned out competitive teams, but then the likes of Hull and Rotherham would often turn up without a full XI.

I do believe that aboloshing that league and allowing 2nd XI's to find their own level in more local leagues was the right thing to do, and something I wish the Northern League would follow suite with.
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2013, 10:34:27 AM »

Not sure if this is still the case, but at one point, one of the criteria for being an ECB Premier League was to have a 2nd XI's league. But Yorkshire, being Yorkshire we able to be exempt from this.

I played Yorkshire league and a lot of what was the Riding's League (old Yorkshire league 2nd XI's league) - travelling from Cleethorpes to Harrogate for a 1st team game, and testing yourself against the cream of amatuer cricketers made the trip worth while, but making the same trip for 2nd XI games was a ball ache. The standard in the Riding's league fluctuated massively - the likes of Sheffield United and Castleford always turned out competitive teams, but then the likes of Hull and Rotherham would often turn up without a full XI.

I do believe that aboloshing that league and allowing 2nd XI's to find their own level in more local leagues was the right thing to do, and something I wish the Northern League would follow suite with.

Moving off Premier leagues for a second, that's my main gripe with cricket in Yorkshire - lack of depth. Yorkshire is a huge county but still has too many leagues and as a consequence the talent gets spread more thinly than anywhere else I have played. While the 1st XI standard can be very good, you don't have to dig too far into the 2nd XI to see some very poor players. We had a few guys net with us from so called "big clubs" in the main leagues and for 2nd XI cricketers they wouldn't get a look in at that time. I don't think the same joining of leagues has taken place or merging of clubs as in the South East. Therefore you almost have too many teams with too few quality cricketers. That said, I believe the ECB Prem setup in Yorks is pretty robust, even at 2nd XI level. I believe Ryan plays 2nd XI for a Prem club and is very good cricketer.
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2013, 11:04:58 AM »

Andy Chapman, played with me at Horton Kirkby before joining you guys couple of seasons ago and still plays the odd Sunday for us, love opening the batting with him.

Adam Riley at Bexley (Kent mainly now) played some colt cricket with him.

SOULMAN did you Captain horton Kirby when we played you in development this year?
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2013, 11:23:02 AM »

SOULMAN did you Captain horton Kirby when we played you in development this year?

Yes mate I did, I'm the one the nicked off to your dad for my only 0 of the season the. Watched your boys smash our development team all over the place. We are most Likely gonna drop out of the developments argue next season as our colts are not at a level to compete. We are planning on joining the Sunday Kent village league.
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2013, 12:08:20 PM »

Yes mate I did, I'm the one the nicked off to your dad for my only 0 of the season the. Watched your boys smash our development team all over the place. We are most Likely gonna drop out of the developments argue next season as our colts are not at a level to compete. We are planning on joining the Sunday Kent village league.

Mate that will be a shame as i think if you give it another season you will have lot of good Youngsters in the team shorly?! i think your better off sticking it out and letting them find there feet that way.
Last year our B's weren't that strong and we did struggle for a bit but give it another year and youngsters, have stepped up. What i have found from being captain of the B's but also playing in the A's was that there is a big gamp between the leagues but it is all about giving the younger players an opportunity to develop in the best league possible the test themselves
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2013, 12:38:22 PM »

Anyone have an idea of how strong the middlesex premier league is compared to others?

I would say not as strong once you get past the top three or four clubs.  No overseas professionals doesn't help.
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2013, 12:57:42 PM »

Moving off Premier leagues for a second, that's my main gripe with cricket in Yorkshire - lack of depth. Yorkshire is a huge county but still has too many leagues and as a consequence the talent gets spread more thinly than anywhere else I have played. While the 1st XI standard can be very good, you don't have to dig too far into the 2nd XI to see some very poor players. We had a few guys net with us from so called "big clubs" in the main leagues and for 2nd XI cricketers they wouldn't get a look in at that time. I don't think the same joining of leagues has taken place or merging of clubs as in the South East. Therefore you almost have too many teams with too few quality cricketers. That said, I believe the ECB Prem setup in Yorks is pretty robust, even at 2nd XI level. I believe Ryan plays 2nd XI for a Prem club and is very good cricketer.

Lack of depth?  I think you meen too much depth. More cricket is played in Yorkshire per square metre than any other county (or at least that used to be the case).

A missing pyramid structure has meant that the differing leagues have vastly differing standards.  The teams that consistently reach top few places in York Prem have no where to go. Therefore those players look to move leagues (mainly to get paid).  The standard in the Bradford League is probably higher purely because the amount of paying gets done.

A few years ago, pros and overseas were allowed, but this was causing clubs to overspend in an attempt to challenge the league. Anyone who didn't slipped down the league. Now it is back to amateur, the teams have equal chance.  One team inparticular wanted to join the Yorkshire League, but was refused in the end.

To go back to the point about too much choice.  York has 2 leagues. York Senior League, which has 8 leagues currently and covers teams on the square from Castleford up to Thirsk, across to Scarborough and down to the Humber (and on to Goole).  It also has the York Vale league, which has 5-6 leagues and not as spread out. There are a few 1st teams in there, and several 3 & 4th teams.  Although there seems to be a number looking to move to the YDSCL.

Therefore, what you end up with is cricket for the masses.  Leagues which cover all standards, which is great for the game.  The issue you get is some players want to be a big fish in a small pond so will stay at clubs and outperform each year rather than find the right standard., and vice versa, players who will never make it trying to play in teams that are too high in standard.

If you could merge all the leagues into one massive structure, you'll find the teams wll find their level and there would be a more competition of a higher standard everywhere.
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2013, 03:16:52 PM »

considering Cheshire went unbeaten this year and won some form of minor counties cup im guessing the Cheshire prem must be decently strong?
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2013, 03:36:51 PM »

East anglian premier league is meant to be one of the stronger ones
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2013, 03:47:57 PM »

The ncu premier  in Northern Ireland is as strong as any premier league in England that includes the Lancashire league and the Middlesex premier league and the wepl div 2

I suspect th wepl 1 would be right at the top of the tree but there so many it would be hard to pick one

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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2013, 04:22:38 PM »

Top three teams in North East Prem consistently win national cups at get to twenty20 finals day on TV, however apart from them there isn't too much!
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2013, 04:50:00 PM »

Lack of depth?  I think you meen too much depth. More cricket is played in Yorkshire per square metre than any other county (or at least that used to be the case).

Nope, lack of depth within clubs was my point. Yorkshire does indeed have more quality cricketers and first XI's than probably anywhere else, but certainly not at 2nd XI standard. Clubs in the South East may be less in number but often have 3/4/5 sides and there are a few 2nd XI's in the TVL/South East that would hold there own in many of the Yorkshire leagues. I'm not sure I'd agree with the per sq metre comment either. The vast majority of yorkshire clubs played Saturday League cricket only, no Sunday or Midweek. That was one of my biggest problems playing up there in the last 5 years was playing cricket outside of Saturdays.

Not saying Yorkshire is weaker, just structured differently and probably to the detriment of creating a genuine competitive Prem +  feeder leagues.
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2013, 05:34:06 PM »

sheffield has two Midweek leagues itself! so can't be that bad finding Midwest cricket?

although, only inequality ecb sat prem team plays in those leagues.

we have 2 Midweek sides. so your more than welcome to come play for us Saunders
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Re: Premier Division
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2013, 06:21:53 PM »

sheffield has two Midweek leagues itself! so can't be that bad finding Midwest cricket?

although, only inequality ecb sat prem team plays in those leagues.

we have 2 Midweek sides. so your more than welcome to come play for us Saunders

I've moved down South now but when I started playing in Leeds, no midweek cricket existed except for a few friendlies. We do have the Headingley and District Midweek League now but that only covers 12 clubs. I was lucky enough to play for Headingley, who play midweeks and Sunday's, but 90% of clubs in the area only played Saturday's.
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