Topic: Indian vs english BATS...THE REAL DIFFERENCE?? (Read 17739 times)

himanshuvohra · « **on:** October 08, 2013, 08:41:30 AM »

HEY FELLOW board members

Been on this forum for quite sometime now, read and participated in many topics.

But one thing which really revolves my mind is why INDIAN bats are considered inferior as compared to ENGLISH bats by many of our friends on this forum.

I have used a lot of INDIAN bats from the top batmakers in india like SM, SS, SG and BDM(never tried BAS though) and i have been very much satisfied with the quality of bats, and i have used only 2 english bats(GN POWERBOW EXTREME and GN maverick) and what i observed was that they are at par with INDIAN bats if not less.

and the price at which the indian bats come(IN INDIA), i can say it makes a lot of difference.

so, why this hype

please enlighten me....

Manormanic · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2013, 08:47:56 AM »

I think the key point of difference is consistency - I have seen some superb bats from SS and BAS, and to a lesser extent from SG, and likewise from companies such as Kookaburra and Slazenger who have most or all of their bats made in India. But I have also seen some shockingly bad ones; in my opinion, quite a high percentage of the same. In contract, with a UK batmaker, you get a more consistent approach and better quality control - as well as the benefits of a boutique service from many.

Buzz · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2013, 09:14:03 AM »

You can get wonderful bats from Aus, NZ, India, Pakistan, UK and a number of other countries - in the past the quality of handles and the finishing on the bats have been the difference, but the Asian manufacturers have really upped their game in the last few years.

I don't think there is much of a difference - other than the generic Asian bats are frequently dried more than non Asian bats so appear bigger and don't last quite as long.

Dan W · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2013, 09:56:58 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on October 08, 2013, 08:47:56 AM

I think the key point of difference is consistency - I have seen some superb bats from SS and BAS, and to a lesser extent from SG, and likewise from companies such as Kookaburra and Slazenger who have most or all of their bats made in India. But I have also seen some shockingly bad ones; in my opinion, quite a high percentage of the same. In contract, with a UK batmaker, you get a more consistent approach and better quality control - as well as the benefits of a boutique service from many.

^Well summarised tbf.

petehosk · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2013, 10:01:17 AM »

I think it is consistency of pressing and the materials used!
Most of the handles from the Asian makers have improved over the lady couple of years (Pakistan bat handles in particular used to be shocking!!) I have used some amazing BAS and SS bats which have compared well to any UK brand!
But when I look at the consistency of the quality from Salix, Redback, black cat,H4L, aldred, choice, etc then I realise that some of the Asian brands still need to do some work to get the same consistency and quality!!

Blazer · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2013, 10:03:15 AM »

I find Indian , Pakistani made cricket bats true to the JS Wright grading system whereas the English made are graded slightly less stringent especially grade 1/2 and lower. I find the standard of pressing is fairly uniform in the U.K . Asian bats are concaved to the maximum mostly with the standard shape being low middle with not much alternatives. There are some exceptions in both cases. The attention to detail is simply superb with English made bats.

MD2812 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2013, 10:13:36 AM »

For me, although it may not have an impact on the finished product, I find I am swayed by even something like the differences in factories.

Watching the Ishan video and all their willow is drying in the sun on the factory roof tops, where as a brand like Gunn and Moore it is shaded and moisture is monitored to stop over drying.

Working conditions (which I understand are cultural differences) but to me a man working at a work bench with the bat clamped securely seems a higher quality control than someone sat on the floor supporting the bat in their bare feet!

Also on the Ishan factory video, once a bat is made it get thrown into a pile of bats (literally) rather than videos over here which shows the bat placed upright in a rack. I want my willow to be treated like a freshly minted bar of gold rather than like a tv remote being tossed onto the sofa!

These may not effect performance, but it has put a negative image on how I view Asian bats being made and looked after.

Vitas Cricket · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2013, 10:58:49 AM »

Quote from: himanshuvohra on October 08, 2013, 08:41:30 AM

I have used a lot of INDIAN bats from the top batmakers in india like SM, SS, SG and BDM(never tried BAS though) and i have been very much satisfied with the quality of bats, and i have used only 2 english bats(GN POWERBOW EXTREME and GN maverick) and what i observed was that they are at par with INDIAN bats if not less.

and the price at which the indian bats come(IN INDIA), i can say it makes a lot of difference.

So, depending on what sort of Maverick it was, it is actually highly unlikely you have used an English made bat.

Johng · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:26:31 AM »

Very little difference now IMO
SS and BAS compare with many of the top batmakers in the UK.

GarrettJ · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:29:20 AM »

a decent BAS or SS cost the same as a bat off the forum sponsors on here so i would hope they are the same quality. different story if you can source them RELIABLY every time direct from the factory to guarantee the quality but i doubt it.

himanshuvohra · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:39:59 AM »

Quote from: Vitas Cricket on October 08, 2013, 10:58:49 AM

So, depending on what sort of Maverick it was, it is actually highly unlikely you have used an English made bat.

it was a maverick colossus bat my brother baught from UK, i am not saying that it was a bad bat, but what i mean is that when compared to TON bats which are way cheaper, they dont offer anything other then brand name.

Maverick colossus would cost somewhere between 150-170 GBP and the TON i use is way cheaper then that....even SS TON LE costs lesser then these medium level bats.

himanshuvohra · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:47:17 AM »

Quote from: GarrettJ on October 08, 2013, 11:29:20 AM

a decent BAS or SS cost the same as a bat off the forum sponsors on here so i would hope they are the same quality. different story if you can source them RELIABLY every time direct from the factory to guarantee the quality but i doubt it.

But the fact is top of the line SS bat(TON RESERVE EDITION at present) will cost not more then 200-210 GBP in india at present and there is hardly any sponsor who offers pro grade willow at this price.....

Johng · « **Reply #12 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:47:59 AM »

TON or SS LE is the best value bat you will buy anywhere period

himanshuvohra · « **Reply #13 on:** October 08, 2013, 11:51:54 AM »

Quote from: Johng on October 08, 2013, 11:47:59 AM

TON or SS LE is the best value bat you will buy anywhere period

i totally agree with you....

mattw · « **Reply #14 on:** October 08, 2013, 12:09:55 PM »

Quote from: himanshuvohra on October 08, 2013, 11:51:54 AM

i totally agree with you....

So how much are the SS/TON LE bats?

As I would say, getting Roger at Solitaire to make you a bat for �125 or �150 is extremely hard to beat. The quality of his pressing is immense and I know that he has a new set of digital scales...

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